<rnelson>
That was it, zdykstra :D Now booted from hard drive. Thank you!
<zdykstra>
Awesome! Glad you got it working. There could be a bit of process improvement on that, but it's hard to get that right
<rnelson>
Maybe even just a note pointing to the guide if you format a drive as GPT/install to a partition on GPT. I'm used to everything just magically making itself work, didn't realize I had to set it up manually
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<zdykstra>
Yeah, something to draw attention to it. The uefi guide isn't super prominent.
<rnelson>
Opened #18760 suggesting it
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<andreasdr[m]>
Hi there.
<Begasus>
Arrr andreasdr[m] :)
<andreasdr[m]>
Hihi!
<AnuragNaik[m]>
Hello
<Begasus>
Hello AnuragNaik[m]
<Begasus>
New name? Welcome :)
<AnuragNaik[m]>
Yup. I'm new to Haiku
<Begasus>
Hope you like it so far
<AnuragNaik[m]>
Still getting around to install it
<AnuragNaik[m]>
Was deciding on whether I should do a barebones install or try in a VM first
<Begasus>
Doesn't hurt to try a VM first, to get some feeling
<AnuragNaik[m]>
yeah
<AnuragNaik[m]>
I've been distro hopping for years now. A friend of mine told me to check this out now that I wanna try the more non conventional ones
<Begasus>
I think most of us have been there :)
<AnuragNaik[m]>
I still end up on Arch or one of the arch based ones at the end no matter how much I try to shift
<AnuragNaik[m]>
It's like once you try AUR you can never go back
<Begasus>
ps, andreasdr[m], LabPlot2 now in the depot :) https://0x0.st/H00R.0.png (32bit for now as 64bit buildmaster is down)
<AnuragNaik[m]>
Now that I'm getting into Open Source development too, I saw Haiku is pretty nwe
<Begasus>
Haven't been around in Arch/AUR much, but I like their buildsystem for external packaging too
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<AnuragNaik[m]>
Begasus: If you're ever looking for a Linux distro that doesn't need too much configuration but you still wanna set up your entire workspace there you can try Manjaro/Endeavour
<Begasus>
AnuragNaik[m], I'm more then happy with Haiku now (been around since BeOS 5) :)
<AnuragNaik[m]>
Nice installers, not a lot of bloatware, choice of desktop environments at the time of install, a fully working Live USB and AUR for whatever packages you might ever need to install on a machine
<AnuragNaik[m]>
Makes coming to Linux easy
<Begasus>
Been around there since RH5.1 and SuSE6.0 :)
<AnuragNaik[m]>
And since I'm still in college I need to have a dual-boot with Windows all the time. You never know what app they might make you use for some assignment
<AnuragNaik[m]>
Does Haiku have its own GRUB/bootloader that comes with install?
<AnuragNaik[m]>
I mean I have rEFInd setup on my PC so even if it's not there it's not so much of a big deal
<Begasus>
Atomozero, haven't figured out how to use it :)
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<Begasus>
AnuragNaik[m], with rEFInd it should be possible to boot Haiku
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<Begasus>
I'm using bootmenu to select EFI here to boot into Haiku
<AnuragNaik[m]>
You can try setting up rEFInd
<AnuragNaik[m]>
It's totally customisable, much lesser bugs than GRUB(If you've ever faced the issue where grub cannot find the efi file), plus it's got great themes
<Atomozero>
Begasus It's easy, just open the gif with Moe and you're done :D
<AnuragNaik[m]>
I have rEFInd setup on my Windows EFI directory since I have that as my primary installation. It's even got great docs to install for all systems including macOS
<Begasus>
Don't want to mess too much on this laptop, it's fairly new so I am glad I have it setup this way for now :)
<AnuragNaik[m]>
same reasons I didn't try a barebones arch install yet. But coming from experience, rEFInd is safe. Does not mess up your system at all. I have a 2021 Legion 5 Pro(R7 5800, RTX 3060 with NVIDIA Optimus)
<AnuragNaik[m]>
I'm only giving a suggestion. Feel free to try it out if and when you feel like it
<Begasus>
Although I'm messing around quite a lot on this install :D https://0x0.st/H0GG.png
<Begasus>
np AnuragNaik[m], thanks for that, it's been explained a few times in the forum also, never got around to do it :)
<AnuragNaik[m]>
Begasus: If you ever wanna try and run into a bug, feel free to DM me. More than happy to help you out. I've practically got half my class to try Linux out and also rEFInd along with it
<Begasus>
Thanks for the offer AnuragNaik[m], so far primary target is still Haiku here :)
* Begasus
wonders why most of those KDE stuff is needing dbus-launch, they run fine without it too
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<Begasus>
let's see if this triggers the buildmaster kallisti5
<Begasus>
nope :/
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<Begasus>
seems to get some responces at mastodon :)
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<waddlesplash>
Begasus: we shouldn't package qt6wayland at all.
<waddlesplash>
anything that requires it should be patched out
<Begasus>
waddlesplash, it was/is only for local checks, haven't pushed that to haikuports (me thinks) :)
<Begasus>
didn't went anywhere also
<Begasus>
k, this isn't bad either :) 99% tests passed, 8 tests failed out of 639
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<bitigchi[m]>
<Begasus> "First one merged! :D https://..." <- YAY!
<Begasus>
:D
<Begasus>
9 Desktops open, and none free :P (and still Haiku runs smoothly) :)
<Begasus>
K, not sure how to test this, maybe need some server to join :) https://0x0.st/H0DE.png
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<BrunoSpr>
hello Begasus
<BrunoSpr>
hellau to all Carneval fans
<Ellenor>
Begasus, :O
<Begasus>
Hi BrunoSpr Ellenor
<Begasus>
dogs ...
<AlienSoldier>
ho, kijiji feed fail in bepodder but work in Friss
<bitigchi[m]>
<Begasus> "K, not sure how to test this..." <- There are open servers to register
<andreasdr[m]>
Nice.
<Ellenor>
maybe I would be more comfortable if I used haiku rather than Linux
<Begasus>
re
<Begasus>
bitigchi[m], only need to find one :)
<Begasus>
can't release if I'm not sure it works as it should :P
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<bitigchi[m]>
<Ellenor> "maybe I would be more comfortabl..." <- Haiku is definitely more comfortable than Linux. In Linux only when the constellations align you can have a fully working system
<bitigchi[m]>
Haiku just works
<bitigchi[m]>
Provided you have compatible hardware
<Begasus>
+1 there bitigchi[m]
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<Begasus>
If something is missing it's your own fault ;) (JK)
<Ellenor>
I don't think this is completely accurate. There isn't the same breadth of things you can necessarily do on Haiku, as on Linux, even at the workstation level.
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<Ellenor>
However, it is questionable to me that one should necessarily be doing some of those things on one's daily driver.
<Begasus>
Ellenor, nothing is ever complete :)
<dcatt>
BeOS was the same way back in the late 1990s early 2000s. A much more fun and exciting operating system to use.
<realtaraharris>
that's a much shorter example from a smaller project
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<realtaraharris>
the only lib you
<realtaraharris>
'll need to link to is `be`
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<realtaraharris>
speaking of which, what gcc options do I need to use to get the debugger to work? I'm using hrev57499 and gcc 13.2, and I tried -g, -gdwarf-5, as well as -gdwarf-2
<realtaraharris>
depending on the option I pick, sometimes I can get the debugger to show me the original source code, but I can never get it to show me the line in the code that execution stopped on
<realtaraharris>
this is really frustrating because even when I go back to r1/beta4, I get pushed into upgrading a bunch of packages, and they all force me into using gcc 13, which destroys my ability to use the debugger
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<BrentNewhall>
@realtaraharris That worked perfectly, thanks!
<realtaraharris>
@BrentNewhall yay <3
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<realtaraharris>
I'm sorry for spreading CMake, but Richard Gabriel was right (worse is better)
<cocobean>
You can use up to "-gdwarf-4 -gstrict-dwarf".
<cocobean>
buildmaster: all builders lost - connection failed: timed out
<realtaraharris>
@cocobean: okay, when I build with -gwarf-4 -gstrict-dwarf, it's still busted. the debugger does not highlight the line where execution is stopped
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<cocobean>
Ok. Make a bug report (if one doesn't exist) One of the devs is working on the debugger updates - as well as DWARF-5 support.
<cocobean>
Give them tjhem the 'uname -a' output , so they know what platform and Haiku hrev you are using as well.
<AnuragNaik[m]>
Alright
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<cocobean>
Have you tried with -fPIC ?
<realtaraharris>
@cocobean compiling with -fPIC added doesn't help either
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<neilmartin83>
hey! :) Just poking around Haiku OS inside a VM and looks like I found an IRC client
<BrentNewhall>
@neilmartin83 heh, doing the exact same thing myself today :)
<neilmartin83>
@BrentNewhall it's pretty slick, and IRC brings back a lot of nostalgic memories from the late 90's/early 00's for me
<neilmartin83>
Which Hypervisor are you using? Proxmox here
<BrentNewhall>
Ditto! I spent a ridiuclously large amounts of time on IRC back in the day.
<BrentNewhall>
Running in Oracle VM VirtualBox
<realtaraharris>
I run Haiku on bare metal, a ThinkPad T490
<realtaraharris>
browsers are unusably slow in a VM
<neilmartin83>
Very responsive UI here, considering it's via a NoVNC session in a browser window
<moparisthebest>
Why would a VM make a difference in browser speed in haiku-os? It shouldn't I think
<neilmartin83>
Remember playing around with BeOS back in the day - PC magazines had it on their demo CDs
<realtaraharris>
I don't know the reason, but on real hardware I can watch youtube videos in Falkon
<neilmartin83>
Which browser options are there for it? Aside from WebPositive (which I'm guessing is based on NetPositive)
<realtaraharris>
@neilmartin83 look for the Falkon browser in HaikuDepot
<neilmartin83>
Checking it out thanks
<neilmartin83>
Interesting to see stuff ported from KDE...
<realtaraharris>
it's Qt-based, which is shitty because Haiku apps should be native. and it is a bit crashy at times
<realtaraharris>
but I'm able to keep a discord session open inside it
<realtaraharris>
being a better Linux than Linux is a meh strategy. because if you just want KDE, you're better off running Debian
<neilmartin83>
Yep - I just like toying with different OS's - spend most of my time in macOS for work/personal stuff at the moment
<clee>
there just aren't a lot of folks writing native Haiku apps at the moment
<Begasus>
right, we need more :)
<realtaraharris>
yeah, that's changing. I spent the last year porting SolveSpace to Haiku
<Begasus>
as I can't I just keep looking into KDE things at the moment
<Begasus>
ah that was you realtaraharris
<realtaraharris>
Haiku will end up being the last one standing. macOS and Windows are garbage with ads inside, and Linux is controlled by the corporations, too
<Begasus>
had a poke at it long time ago without succes :)
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<realtaraharris>
I need to update the readme
<realtaraharris>
I have been simplifying the cmake cruft and working through things
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<realtaraharris>
@begasus I'll tweet when I have a hpkg available
<realtaraharris>
I'm using agg to do the rendering, and I have an issue to track hooking up the opengl renderer
<Begasus>
nice!
<Begasus>
also forgot I didn't have Web+ open ... tabs gone again now :)
<realtaraharris>
ugh I hate that bug
<Begasus>
opengl can be tricky
<realtaraharris>
yeah
<Begasus>
even in a few KDE apps I force some software rendering so it displays text
<realtaraharris>
I don't care about the rendering side nearly as much as getting everything else lined up
<Begasus>
+1 there!
<realtaraharris>
hey, maybe I should ping you when I get around to working on packaging
<realtaraharris>
are you on Discord?
<realtaraharris>
IRC is so shitty when it comes to remembering anyone :joy:
<Begasus>
sure no problem, have been helping students in the past GCoC years, so I know my way around a bit :)
<Begasus>
my nick has been around from the beginning :)
<Begasus>
err that was GCI
<realtaraharris>
alternatively, are you on X or Bluesky?
<Begasus>
remember that I'm on EU timezone though
<Begasus>
I'm on X also (again after ... I think about 12 years) :P
<realtaraharris>
oh sure, I don't have any expectatinons of any real-time interactions
<Begasus>
wanted to try out choqoc on Haiku
<realtaraharris>
I'm realtaraharris on X
<realtaraharris>
and really all I want to do is collaborate on packaing SolveSpace for Haiku
<Begasus>
yeah, saw that, in the morning I usualy pop in there for a sec
<realtaraharris>
*packaging
<realtaraharris>
I'm also on github, same handle of course
<moparisthebest>
You are worried about Linux being controlled by corps and then use X and bluesky? LOL
<realtaraharris>
hey, I don't make the world, I just live in it
<Begasus>
I don't mind about those, as long as I can use them in Haiku :P
<realtaraharris>
the machine I'm using on my lap is my first priority
<moparisthebest>
There are open alternatives though, XMPP, activitypub etc, haiku even has a nice native XMPP client
<realtaraharris>
the one thing I wish HaikuDepot would do is to include a field allowing you to search for native apps
<realtaraharris>
I want to be able to filter out anything with Qt or GTK
<Begasus>
that narrows it down :)
<Begasus>
but yeah, still plenty of nice things out there
<realtaraharris>
like, it's nice that you can get an app at all
<Begasus>
You can also checkout BeSly
<Begasus>
right, no one is forced to use any of those Qt/GTK/KDE stuff
<Begasus>
but it makes nice showcases :D
<Begasus>
Made a recipe for Ruqola earlier, looks nice, but I have no clue on how to connect (searching for servers only gave me hits on how to set one up) :) https://0x0.st/H0DE.png
<moparisthebest>
From the perspective of someone trying haiku from Linux it's nice that familiar applications are available, and then you can branch out to new ones :)
* zdykstra
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<zdykstra>
don't let me down, Haiku!
<Begasus>
a lot of these things were things that have been asked around for years, if it paves the way to new developer writing native apps it's a good thing
<Begasus>
crossing fingers for you zdykstra :)
<Begasus>
k, closing down here for today
<Begasus>
cu peeps!
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<BrentNewhall>
Does anyone have experience drawing images in a C++ app in Haiku? Having a tough time getting GetBItmap() or GetBitmapFile() to compile.
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<augiedoggie>
what is the error?
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<BrentNewhall>
undefined reference to `BTranslationUtils::GetBitmap(char const*, BTranslatorRoster*)'
<BrentNewhall>
Code is: BBitmap *mecha = BTranslationUtils::GetBitmap("images/Mech1A.png");
<augiedoggie>
you need to link against libtranslation
<BrentNewhall>
ahhhh
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