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<Not-5835> [haikuports/haikuports] threedeyes pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://git.io/J0YYv
<Not-5835> [haikuports/haikuports] threedeyes 9f67ac6 - ruby: hack for yacc (fix build)
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<zdykstra> Skipp_OSX: dots look nice
<jessicah> 2px, the 1px is too small
<zdykstra> Agreed, 1px are almost invisible
<Skipp_OSX> I was going for subtle... but might be a bit _too_ subtle
<jessicah> it's too subtle
<jessicah> the 2px isn't in your face
<jessicah> oh man, modelling already predicting 50-120 cases, hope people stop being selfish in flouting our lockdown rules...
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<jessicah> and the world thought we were crazy going into a national lockdown for 1 case :p
<zdykstra> Where are you, jessicah?
<jessicah> new zealand
<zdykstra> Obviously not fing America
<jessicah> where we've so far been pretty successful at an elimination strategy
<jessicah> but the delta variant is gonna be a tough one to rein in
<zdykstra> I'm jealous. We have a country of self-centered idiots.
<jessicah> oh I know... I have a friend in the US who almost died from covid, and she's going to be fucked for the rest of her life, because I person, knowing they were infected, visited her anyway :-/
<jessicah> she already had health issues, so yeah, so sad for her ;(
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<zdykstra> I'm vaccinated as is my wife, but she was exposed to someone with covid19. Now we're stuck quarantining at home until tests come back.
<jessicah> well at least you're doing the right thing :)
<jessicah> I'm still to have my second jab
<zdykstra> Feel for your friend. Lots of negative outcomes from it even if you survive, unfortunately.
<jessicah> yeah, long covid is going to devastate health systems in the next decade or so
<zdykstra> As someone that likes endurance sports, it terrifies me
<jessicah> :-/
<jessicah> I love racing bikes myself, so yeah, the thought of not being able to ride/race my bike... eep, I'd rather be dead, lol
<Guest4535> skipp_osx: why a setting for that stuff? would be fine to have it be decorator dictated no?
<Guest4535> (or maybe have a dedicated per-decorator settings pane?)
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<iisi> As someone who likes being able to think clearly, it worries me, too, because of reports of ongoing cognitive impairments.
<iisi> Like when out to dinner "I couldn't remember what a for was for, or how to eat shrimp."
<iisi> s/for was/fork was
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<jessicah> yeah :(
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<bronzie94> Fork Rona ...
<bronzie94> hope Stage 4 lockdown treating you OK jessicah
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<jessicah> it's all good, I don't go anywhere anyway, so my normal :p
<bronzie94> :) - I'm in Melbs - so similar story
<jessicah> unfortunately I need to go to supermarket to get food for the kitties :(
<jessicah> they're gonna hassle me all night tonight :-/ they eat too much!
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<Guest4535> I'm happy to be in a "essential" job and not have to do homeoffice or such stuff even during lockdowns :3, I suppose that is also a bit priviliged
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<countryboy> hello peeps !!! ;-)
<countryboy> ops : hello boys and girls ... xD
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<Not-5835> [haikuports/haikuports] diversys pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://git.io/J03YQ
<Not-5835> [haikuports/haikuports] diversys 4f37fbb - ayat_recitation_ghamadi: fix provides
<countryboy> cannot change vision icon ...
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<countryboy> found : cannot change vision => read only filesystem ...
<countryboy> tryed chmod 777 vision ...
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<mrentropy64> Happy Birthday, y'all.
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<countryboy> mrentropy64: everything tends to energy minimum
<jt15s[m]> Happy 20th Birthday, Haiku!
<jt15s[m]> Also, if anyone who has write access to the website repo is reading this, could you have a look at the news item I've filed in a PR and merge if everything's okay? Thanks
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<countryboy> Happy Birthday Hayku ...
<countryboy> ops ... Haiku ...
<mrentropy64> countryboy: Yes, we all get chilly as we get older.
<julicenri> Oh, didn't realize that it's Haiku's 20th birthday today!
<countryboy> i trust you All : you are good boys ...
<julicenri> Thought that was either yesterday or tomorrow.
<julicenri> Timezones, grrr...
<harshit_sharma_> Really !!! Happy Birthday !
<harshit_sharma_> Hey! I am well versed with C++, and have done some projects so far. I was thinking about starting my open-source journey, so how can I start contributing to Haiku? Any help would be appreciated
<countryboy> harshit_sharma_: porting firefox ?
<countryboy> so there will be spotify working ...
<harshit_sharma_> countryboy: Well, that would be great, can you guide me through?
<countryboy> i don't know ... configure make ?!?
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<mrentropy64> harshit_sharma: Get audio working through HDMI :D
<countryboy> harshit_sharma_: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/qxQdkgsCYy/
<Coldfirex> jt15s: good job on article
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<countryboy> Guest4724: i have translated to italian ...
<countryboy> developed : lavori.zip
<countryboy> funding : some euros ...
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<countryboy> my brain is burning ... xD
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<PulkoMandy> countryboy, can you please avoid giving the most complex project ideas to people who want to join here? Do you realise this is stupid and counter productive?
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<Coldfirex> PulkoMandy: Our code still has several references to OpenBEOS (mostly license related) like "This software is part of the OpenBeOS distribution and is covered". Are these safe to update to Haiku?
<PulkoMandy> yes, you can replace this with the standard "Distributed under the terms of the MIT license" header
<Coldfirex> or "Copyright OpenBeOS Project
<Coldfirex> thanks
<nephele[x]> I've put a picture of the cup on the forums
<Coldfirex> nice!
<mrentropy64> It is a nice looking cup.
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<mrentropy64> On this auspicious day, I should probably write to Opera and remind them that I bought Opera for BeOS and believe I am entitled to an upgrade to a Haiku version.
<Coldfirex> lol
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<mrentropy64> Uh oh. I can't find any proof that I used to own it. I hope they still have my registration info.
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<nephele[x]> Maybe they'll tell you to use the BeOS version since Haiku claims to be compatible ;)
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<mrentropy64> nephele[x]: I'd give it a whirl if I still had it. They'd have to give me a download link.
<The_Ringmaster> vivaldi on haiku would be great!
<Niklas[m]> We already have a great browser with Otter.But the more modern QtWebEngine instead of the dead QtWebKit would be cool.
<The_Ringmaster> It's unfortunate it isn't fully open/free software. Vivaldi that is. Otter is ok, still prefer using web+
<Niklas[m]> You mean Opera?Well,it is open-source even if they don't want it to be open lol https://git.teknik.io/Zero3K/presto
<Niklas[m]> Has anyone ever tried to build this on Haiku btw?
<nephele[x]> why QtWebEngine? it's blink based...
<nephele[x]> presto is dead, opera uses blink
<Niklas[m]> But it's still maintained...
<nephele[x]> so is pale moon...
<Niklas[m]> No,I meant QtWebEngine is still maintained
<nephele[x]> Yeah, so? It's still blink... not really interesting to me tbh
<Niklas[m]> While QtWebKit is basically dead and is based on a way too outdated WebKit version,unfortunately.
<nephele[x]> with webkit we atleast have something to directly compare it to, too bad qtwebkit stalled so much, its kinda kinda still on low burn, but who knows...
<Niklas[m]> And Opera Presto is even more outdated and not suitable for browsing the modern web.Would be fun to try it out on Haiku anyways
<nephele[x]> the modern web should just be called "the google web" tbh
<Niklas[m]> Not here :P
<The_Ringmaster> Niklas[m], No vivaldi is a recreation of opera 12.x created by the same team as the original opera
<nephele[x]> well, the entire PWA shit that is beeing pushed seems to be mostly googles fault, and they are also the only ones really pushing it, with random apis for everything
<Niklas[m]> I have banned their IP ranges using iptables + filter their IP ranges using Cloud Firewall addon (double-blocking makes me feel safer lol) + I block their known domains using uBlock Origin.So it's totally not a Google Web for me :P
<nephele[x]> I am talking about the profileration of standards, and where web engines are going... if you use a browser needing uBlock origin i reckon you don't have them blocked fully though through it :P iptables might be enough though
<Niklas[m]> And you're right that PWA sucks but I feel like it's a trend in general,not pushed by any single company
<Niklas[m]> ...and it's still better than f*cking Electron which is PWA + a own Chromium binary for every single PWA
<nephele[x]> Well, Haiku will likely gain an api to use webkit in normal apps aswell, with webkit2 :)
<nephele[x]> for example MediaPlayer, email aswell as a ePub reader need that
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<Rynn> I liked Opera back in the day, never tried Vivaldi though.
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<Rynn> I would give it a shot since Mozilla seems to be going off the rails, but isn't Vivaldi Chromium-based? I've never been a fan of those.
<Niklas[m]> I liked when they still had Presto.It was amazingly fast back then,especially on low-powered Android devices.And with the change to Chromium,it became incredibly slow :/
<Niklas[m]> Yes,Vivaldi is also Chromium :/
<Rynn> Bleh. We're basically almost back in the dark ages of IE at this point, with 90% of the browser market running one engine.
<Niklas[m]> Yeah,but at least IE wasn't spyware
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<tqh> IE 7 was a great upgrade from IE 6, it was also a fantastic upgrade from IE 8 or later.
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<Coldfirex_> Has anyone recently used Github Desktop to pull down Haiku sources? Everytime I do (even after starting from scratch) it immediately has 30 changed files regarding catkey files under screenshot.
<Coldfirex_> no issue pulling down via git command in Haiku directly. This is in Windows
<jmairboeck> The haiku repository needs a case-sensitive file system. Windows doesn't have that (by default)
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<Coldfirex_> ahh interesting. Looks like its a per directory setting. Guess I could enable on that one
<jmairboeck> you can set individual folders to be case sensitive on recent versions of Windows 10. See https://superuser.com/a/1329066/293470
<jmairboeck> I suppose this is mostly used for WSL
<Coldfirex_> ya looks like wsl is a required component
<Coldfirex_> thanks
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<jmairboeck> For building Haiku you will need something like that. Building on Windows natively is not supported
<Coldfirex_> I dont plan to build it. Just a little easier sometimes editting files with my current setup
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<Skipp_OSX> jessicah so can you upvote me on https://review.haiku-os.org/c/haiku/+/4333 for 2px dots?
<Skipp_OSX> All that patch does is change scroll bar knob dots from 1px to 2px
<Skipp_OSX> I saw that linked on Hacker News
<Skipp_OSX> We need that guy (Andreas Kling) on Haiku team!
<Skipp_OSX> "The lack of a fully functional modern web browser also cripples the Haiku project, and it is surprisingly difficult to resolve." :/
<Skipp_OSX> at least they called it Haiku and not HaikuOS
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<Coldfirex> ya noticed that
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<robobox> webkit is very much modern and fully functional
<robobox> it's probably because the ui isn't like most current browers
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<mrentropy64> I don't get the allure.
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