<coolcoder613>
/me finally got a CMOS battery for my BeOS laptop
* coolcoder613
tests /me
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<andreasdr[m]>
Nice.
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<PeetPeet>
I LOVE recipe programs!
<PeetPeet>
It's so trad (and I sound like a valley girl haha)
<PeetPeet>
erysdren: sharing ethernet with another macine is dead easy. Let me know when you gt a sec and I'll walk you through it
<erysdren>
i had to give up
<erysdren>
the machine i was gonna install haiku on is dead as a doornail anyway
<erysdren>
no chance to share any internet :(
<PetePete>
Well piss
<erysdren>
it's a 2006 or 2007 HP business laptop that i thought would be good for a (relatively) low-end haiku machine
<erysdren>
but it wouldn't boot from my Haiku install CD (or boot from anything)
<PetePete>
Won't boot how?
<erysdren>
i could go into the BIOS and i couldn't see anything immediately wrong with it
<erysdren>
when it gets to the boot stage, it just sits at a black screen with a flashing text cursor in the corner
<erysdren>
forever
<PetePete>
Not a secure boot/UEFI thing?
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<erysdren>
i didnt see any secure boot options in there, but maybe i missed it
<erysdren>
and it doesn't use UEFI, too old
<PetePete>
are you booting from cd or usb?
<erysdren>
cd
<erysdren>
i don't have a USB on hand to image
<PetePete>
Did you burn at the loest 4x speed?
<PetePete>
lowest*
<erysdren>
honestly i don't remember
<erysdren>
maybe the CD drive is bad, i could plug in my external USB one
<erysdren>
and boot from that
<erysdren>
it would be slow as piss to install, but maybe it would work
<PetePete>
oYou'll need to make sure the BIOS sees the usb cdrom as a cdrom
<erysdren>
yeah
<erysdren>
i saw "USB CDROM" as a boot option
<erysdren>
along with USB Floppy
<PetePete>
try it!
<erysdren>
yeah one sec
<PetePete>
IF that doesn't work, burn your cds at 4x speed
<PetePete>
That was always the solution for my cds not booting back in the day
<OscarL>
I would just remove the HDD, connect it to a different PC, install Haiku there, and re-install HDD on old laptop :-P
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<OscarL>
That was one of the killer features of BeOS for me in 2000. Install once, boot "everywhere".
<PetePete>
OscarL: with his "logic" and "sense"
<PetePete>
That's not a bad idea at all. I've done that on many a Linux machine
<OscarL>
heck, you can do that booting Haiku on a VM, and giving the VM direct access to the HDD.
<OscarL>
beats having to burn CDs in 2024 :-D
<PetePete>
*vomits*
<PetePete>
dangit OscarL
<erysdren>
OscarL: i thought about doing that
<erysdren>
installing haiku from another machine, i mean
<erysdren>
and seeing if it works
<OscarL>
Don't forget to use "Intel Partition Map / MBR" if you wipe the HDD.
<OscarL>
Doubt that old lappy can handle GPT :-D
<OscarL>
Skipp_OSX: Perhaps you should revert the changes to "src/tests/kits/interface/Jamfile" in https://review.haiku-os.org/c/haiku/+/3775 ? (considering that the "ShortcutTest" app seems to be missing)
<Skipp_OSX>
I see
<Skipp_OSX>
I wonder what happened to it?
<OscarL>
x512[m] might have just forgot to add it originally?
<x512[m]>
ShortcutTest.cpp is probably lost.
<x512[m]>
Not a big deal anyway, it can be rewritten.
<x512[m]>
Basically it is some test application with menu that have shortcuts without Cmd key and print something on shortcut trigger.
* OscarL
waves goodbye for the night. See you folks!
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<erysdren>
hmm
<erysdren>
bios_ia32 stage1: failed to load OS. Press any key to reboot
<erysdren>
maybe i installed haiku on the drive wrong, or maybe the laptop is screwed
<erysdren>
not sure yet
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<erysdren>
looks like i installed haiku wrong, one sec lol
<erysdren>
eyy it worked :D haiku is booting
<erysdren>
lets see how far it gets on this 15 year old laptop
<erysdren>
oh my gosh something is WRONG with the display driver here
<erysdren>
i took a video with my phone but it doesn't really come across on camera too well
<erysdren>
not only is the mouse extremely sluggish, there's a horrible fade-in fade-out thing going on with it. also all of the application icons and text have little dancing pixels around the edges
<erysdren>
the gpu in this laptop is an "Nvidia Geforce 6150 Go, C51 (NV44)" according to the screen settings
<augiedoggie>
you could try booting with safe mode graphics but nvidia is known to have awful vesa support
<erysdren>
safe mode graphics works fine, but it can't go higher than 1024x768
<erysdren>
this is a recurring problem for me with Nvidia + Haiku + VESA
<erysdren>
the laptop display is 1440x900 btw
<coolcoder613>
In ~/config/settings/kernel/vesa
<erysdren>
i already tried enabling bios patching :(
<coolcoder613>
change it to the right video mode
<erysdren>
yeah
<x512[m]>
Skipp_OSX: Gerrit patch name become broken.
<botifico-ecd96135>
[haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 205758b - messagelib, new KDE library (#9945)
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<lebrancess[m]>
<botifico-ecd96135> "[haikuports/haikuports] Begasus..." <- Soon mesa and steam and proton and counterstrike 2 comit and the OS is finished
<botifico-ecd96135>
[haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 42d43b8 - cudatext, bump version (#9947)
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<BiPolar>
what the heck!?! why is /boot/home/config/settings/system/registrar/RosterSettings almost 580 KB!
<BiPolar>
4300+ entries there... yeah... I somehow doubt that it's useful.
<Begasus>
Hola OscarL :)
<BiPolar>
Hola Begasus :-)
<BiPolar>
Trying to workaround an issue I'm having with Genio... two different "haiku" entries in its "Open recent project...", but the folders are unrelated, and you can't know which is which.
<BiPolar>
That led me to try to find where the heck those are saved...
<BiPolar>
ends up being registrars's RosterSettings.
<BiPolar>
Let's see if I can just remove the file (and it doesn't get recreated at shutdown.
* BiPolar
reboots.
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<Begasus>
got the same thing here I think, did a Haiku build here and now I have multiple items in "Open With ..."
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<BiPolar>
And... of course it gets re-created at shutdown :-/
<BiPolar>
Can I kill registrar, delete the file, and reboot? Let's find out...
<Begasus>
cu tomorrow :P
<BiPolar>
Mmm, I think I should have removed the file, and THEN kill registrar. Now I can't do anything.
<Begasus>
whoops ;)
<BiPolar>
Big brain moment... use my 32 bits install, to remove the file in the 64 bits one.
* BiPolar
taps head.
* BiPolar
also hits the reset button :-(. See you!
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<Begasus>
One advantage on having 2 browsers open, can push 'save edit' on the other one if the first one isn't co-operating :)
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<BiPolar>
Success!, lost all "Recent ..." entries, except for the newly added "Recent applications..." `dstcheck`, mmm. that shouldn't be there.
<Begasus>
lol
<Begasus>
done for today too, no more recipes ... :p
<Begasus>
just have to push a new release for cudatext (packages) upstream
<BiPolar>
cool!
* BiPolar
wonders if `/system/server/registrar` should have a `--clear-recent=all,docs,apps` option.
<BiPolar>
Mmm, it accepts "B_REG_ADD_TO_RECENT_APPS" and similar messages.
<Begasus>
it's pulling in the things compiled earlier in that Haiku build
<Begasus>
oh well, not for today, out to dogschool
<Begasus>
cu peeps!
<BiPolar>
Begasus: not exactly, but similar issue (hard to tell folders/apps appart). In your image, at least the names are truncated differently. In Genio.. I get 2 "haiku" menu items,
<BiPolar>
later Begasus!
<Begasus>
cya!
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<BiPolar>
s/B_REG_ADD_TO_RECENT_APPS/B_REG_CLEAR_RECENT_DOCUMENTS/ (on my comment above)
<augiedoggie>
or the short version, hey registrar 'rgxa'
<OscarL>
/me runs `hgrepall B_REG_CLEAR_RECENT_FOLDERS` -> 'rgxf'... let's try it.
<OscarL>
B_NO_REPLY, but list was cleared. NOICE!
<augiedoggie>
yeah, i don't even get the B_NO_REPLY for some reason
<OscarL>
I still think /system/servers/registrar could use a "--clear-recent=all,docs,apps,dirs" cli argument/option :-D
<augiedoggie>
eh, scripting support might be nice
<OscarL>
¿por qué no las dos?
<OscarL>
:-D
<OscarL>
I would stick to try to add the CLI options. I'm too dubm for Haiku's scripting :-D
<OscarL>
How hard can it be parse the ALL the headers files, searching for 'what' constants, match those to relevant programs, and write a CLI app with line-editing/history/autocompletion ?! :-P
<OscarL>
A "hey-o-matic" or something :-D
<AlienSoldier>
PulkoMandy was able to make it run with the slashdot feed (get lot of troubles with other feed). Replican does not work, stay as a grey rectangle.
<augiedoggie>
one problem is that some of those messages need to be delivered to specific views, not just the main BApplication
* augiedoggie
heads to work for a while
<OscarL>
guess one could start with the simpler cases, and then manually add new entries. /me tosses the idea on the ToDo pile.
<AlienSoldier>
Looking at the Pulse replicant, something seem wrong, there is one hangle by core, was that not one replicant for all of them?
<AlienSoldier>
*handle
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<PeetPeet>
I found several bugs on my system.
<PeetPeet>
Like 20 sugar ants or so, working hard at the bit of jam I spilled on my keyboard.
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<OscarL>
crickets react to PeetPeet's bug humor: <cricket sounds>
<PeetPeet>
lol
<PeetPeet>
touche'
<OscarL>
:-D
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<erysdren>
im still pretty bugged that i don't have a single machine that can run Haiku consistently well :(
<erysdren>
my 2006 IBM ThinkPad runs it pretty well, but it's hella slow and it sometimes randomly freezes without any chance of recovery
<erysdren>
i don't have any spare desktop machines from the last 10 years at all
<erysdren>
that'd be a great fit for haiku
<AlienSoldier>
mines usually work very well, some don't properly shutdown (2 of my laptop)
<OscarL>
AlienSoldier: try using APM instead of ACPI, perhaps? (helps sometimes with older machines).
<PetePete>
I have spare machines that will run Haiku just fine. Some, better than others. Where are you?
<PetePete>
I've been trying to find homes for all my spare stuff for a long time
<OscarL>
so many old machines with so much potencial still. /me upgraded his CPU to a Phenom II X4.... in mid 2022 :-D
<PetePete>
Well, If anyone wants to take me up on th offer, I can't think of a thing to do with all this stuff becauase the kids around here are spoiled. They get new laptops every year at school. I literally cannot even find a needy family because they laugh at what I have
<erysdren>
PetePete: central USA
<erysdren>
Nebraska
<PetePete>
I'm sure it wouldn't cost me much to ship you an old laptop. What are you running now?
<erysdren>
well, my current main computer is a 2017 Dell Inspiron something or other, with MX Linux on it
<erysdren>
with 8G RAM
<OscarL>
If I wasn't on the other side of the world... and if our customs/mail services weren't known to keep electronics for themselves... I'd gladly pay shipment for some old-by-USA standards PCs :-D (old hardware is expensive here).
<erysdren>
i also have a 2013 eMachines PC intended for Windows 7, which i installed haiku on
<erysdren>
but it also randomly froze at times, and has no network card at all
<OscarL>
(not talking about vintage stuff, either, we use PCs till nothing is left :-D)
<PetePete>
erysdren: have you tested the emachine for ram issues?
<PetePete>
OscarL: Where can a person purchase used computer equipment online in your area?
<erysdren>
i haven't yet PetePete
<erysdren>
i'm kinda bereft of spare computer stuff at the moment, after my last move across the country
<erysdren>
i used to have a bunch of spare monitors, now i don't have any
<erysdren>
so it's a huge pain in the ass to setup any secondary machines that aren't laptops
<OscarL>
PetePete: that's the thing... usefull second-hand / refurbished stuff is pretty expensive here, and usually not worth the price, IMO. Small market, too high prices for newer stuff... bad combo :-D.
<PetePete>
It just doesn't seem right that I have stuff that is going to rot
* OscarL
is still kicking himself for not bying an AMD 4700S (without the GPU) for U$D 100 3 years ago :-D
<OscarL>
HOLY COW, they are asking almos U$D 600 for that AMD 4700S. LOL. /me hugs his PC... "I promise to re-cap you soon... just don't die on me!" :-P
<bitigchi[m]>
Uuuh. Had a look at Gerrit and all the shortcuts shenanigans nearly gave me a headache
* OscarL
hides his patch for Terminal SHIFT+arrows :-)
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<PetePete>
Chingao.
<PetePete>
That's a lot of money
<OscarL>
PeetPeet: perhaps you can contact https://kramden.org/ and see if they can use some of what you got?
<OscarL>
PetePete: ^^^
<OscarL>
(maybe there are similar associations, closer to you?)
<PetePete>
Yeah... I only give to people I know for uh... reasons...
<erysdren>
hmm
<OscarL>
Federales, open up!
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<PetePete>
Ha! Nah.. I'm just very picky
<OscarL>
:-D
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<OscarL>
BeOS keyboard/shortcuts handling... dealing paper-cuts and fueling flamewars since last millenium!
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<erysdren>
OscarL: so true lol, i can never get used to it
<OscarL>
I was basically a mouseless GUI user before I discovered BeOS :-D
<OscarL>
Tracker "spatial" mode was really alien to me. /me still hopes for 3dEyes to revive NaviTracker one day :-P
<OscarL>
Not being able to (consistenyl) use Tab/Shift-Tab to focus different controls makes me long for the days of Win9x, lol.
<OscarL>
I used to spend extra time doing "tab-fucus ordering" of controls when designing GUIs with Delphi, making sure it it worked "naturaly/intuitively".
<OscarL>
Trying to use, say... the Media preflet with the keyboard only... yeah... no good.
<OscarL>
Also... what's up with sliders not having proper "reset" positions. really hard to set a slider control back to "zero".
<OscarL>
</rant>
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<OscarL>
Mmm, my ~/config/settings/system/registrar/RosterSettings is 374642 bytes on my beta4 32 bits install. Wonder how bit it got in Begasus work machine :-D
<OscarL>
*how big
<OscarL>
1900 lines of "RecentDoc", 690 of "RecentFolder" and 98 of "RecentApp". Seems a bit excessive, heh. Let's see if registrar is supposed to stop at some point (before opening a ticket about it).
<coolcoder613_32>
Good morning
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<OscarL>
Hello coolcoder613_32!
<OscarL>
Seems to abide by "maxCount" when handling _HandleGetRecentEntries(), but seems to happily add without bounds on HandleAddToRecentDocuments() :-/
* OscarL
can't draw a circle even while using a compass :-(
<coolcoder613_32>
Can you draw a circle with the circle tool in Paint? ;)
<OscarL>
I bet I make it crash before long :-P
* OscarL
has "a thing" breaking software.
<coolcoder613_32>
Maybe it just doesn't like your hardware?
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<Oscar-L>
See, broke my connection already :-P. coolcoder613_: nah... used to work doing Software Q&A, making use of my "talents" :-D
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<Oscar-L>
Mmm, registrar/RecentApps.cpp says: "// don't add background apps", but I got dstcheck in there after cleared "RosterSettings". Something's fishy.
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<OscarL>
mmm dstcheck doesn't has B_BACKGROUND_APP set? I thought I sent a patch for that already.
<OscarL>
Seems RecentApps::Add() just calls "std::list::push_front()", without an upper bound. (same for folders and docs).
<OscarL>
Ticket time! (assuming Trac's scanblock doesn't kicks me again :-D)
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<OscarL>
Wonder where that "lost minute" went between these sucessive syslog entries: "2024-01-04 20:14:53 KERN: auich: multi->control_count 46" "2024-01-04 20:16:00 KERN: VMware: SHOW_CURSOR (0) "
<coolcoder613_32>
For a while, I had been trying to boot FiwixOS on my 1999 laptop
<coolcoder613_32>
It would always freeze at the GRUB menu
<coolcoder613_32>
yesterday, when i put in a new CMOS battery and set it ot the right time,
<coolcoder613_32>
*to
<coolcoder613_32>
GRUB worked fine
<OscarL>
This is weird: "KERN: bfs: inode at 3674755 is already deleted!" (even after running `checkfs /boot` and rebooting).
<OscarL>
coolcoder613_32: try setting the date WAY back, and see if that freezes GRUB?
<coolcoder613_32>
The BIOS date was reset to 1999 at every reboot, that was the problem
* OscarL
wonders how serious "bfs: GetNextMatching:615: Bad data" and "bfs: could not get inode 3674755 in index "BEOS:APP_SIG"!" KERN messages are :-D
<OscarL>
some BIOS act weird without a CMOS battery, besides the date.
<coolcoder613_32>
It might have started working if i waited ~20 years, but that would be a little hard to test ;D
<OscarL>
in any case... good you have it working now :-)
<coolcoder613_32>
Did you see what I did with anymeal yesterday?
<OscarL>
read something about recipes, but didn't really paid much attention, sorry (other than noticing that PetePete might be a beta tester :-D)
* OscarL
goes to take a look at the logs.
<OscarL>
uic... moc... rcc. guess anymeal is a Qt app, right?
<OscarL>
"-lQt5Gui" duh!, don't answer :-D
* OscarL
remembers the day when he could compile entire apps (multiple "units/modules", compiling/adding resources, linking, etc), by just doing:
<OscarL>
"dcc32.exe project_name.dpr"
<OscarL>
no wonder the C and C++ worlds always looked too confusing for me :-D
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<coolcoder613_32>
I'm using the croissant icon for it
<coolcoder613_32>
Now i just need someone to make a haikuports recipe for it...