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<nephele>
I'm at fodder
<nephele>
Fosdem
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<coolcoder613>
Hello!
<Kokito>
Hello!
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<BrunoSpr>
hello all
<phschafft>
mau :)
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<win8linux[m]>
Trying to reinstall Haiku nightly on a laptop, however the Haiku bootloader keeps claiming that the BFS volume on the flash drive (HaikuLive) isn't valid.
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<win8linux[m]>
Installed Haiku onto a flash drive from a VM, made an ESP partition on the flash drive, then copied the files from the ISO's ESP partition to the flash drive ESP.
<win8linux[m]>
Imaging the ISO directly into a flash drive doesn't work, either.
<OscarL>
On my region, every summer goes around 40. but this year, it was pretty cooler, so this "surprice 40+" in February, hits doubly hard :-D
<Begasus>
stupid dependency ... Qt5X11Extras :/
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<Begasus>
Hi there again nephele :)
<nosycat>
o/
<Begasus>
was nice meeting you IRL
<nephele>
Hi, connection is a bit shoddy if I keep suspending my laptop :)
<Begasus>
seems we missed mmu_man
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<OscarL>
win8linux[m]: on my "new" netbook... same pendrive books OK from left USB port, refuses to find BSD partition when connected to the right-side USB port :-/
<OscarL>
(AFAIK, darn thing only has XHCI, so no idea why the difference)
<OscarL>
s/BSD/BFS/
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<nephele>
Begasus, didn't know he was there
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<Begasus>
bugger ... tl
<Begasus>
OK, nephele, if you catch up on the logs, tip from Carl worked :) https://0x0.st/HDDU.png
<Begasus>
only the text in the effects menu doesn't show up correctly :)
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<Anarchos>
hello
<nosycat>
Hi there!
<Anarchos>
hello nosycat
<Begasus>
Hi Anarchos
<Anarchos>
Begasus i added some line to my merge request description for betex :)
<Anarchos>
but not finished yet
<Begasus>
nice Anarchos +1
<Anarchos>
Begasus now i try to install ubuntu on a qemu image
<Anarchos>
but accessing to qemu on my server through RemoteDesktop is such a pain
<Anarchos>
i must plug a screen to the server to see if the slowness comes from remotedesktop connection, or if my server with qemu is really so slow (which i doubt)
<Begasus>
hope you get it right Anarchos, meanwhile got that dark scheme working with KDE apps here :)
<Anarchos>
Begasus what should i get right ?
<Begasus>
your connection to the server (and speed) Anarchos :)
<Begasus>
k, hunting for food now, cu later
<Anarchos>
Begasus it is a core i3 quad core
<Anarchos>
3.6GHz
<Anarchos>
but qemu through remotedesktop takes ages to display
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<scanty>
welll, im on beta4 on bare metal
<scanty>
it's quite a bit faster than virtualbox :^)
<nosycat>
Tell me about it. Still can't believe how fast Haiku boots on an EeePC 701.
<scanty>
download updates now
<scanty>
i'm hoping my gamekit bug was VM relataed, so we'll see
<scanty>
related*
<scanty>
reboot brb
<Anarchos>
scanty i am on bare metal for haiku
<nosycat>
In fact I'm pretty sure it got faster a few updates ago.
<scanty>
man, if there was only a mail client that did gmail, i could use this daily.
<scanty>
oops, have to get my ssh_config, brb
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<scanty>
okay, that was easy enough
<scanty>
ls
<scanty>
oops
<scanty>
i see networking is qute a bit slower on b4
<Anarchos>
scanty there has been some work recently on network code
<OscarL>
beta4 doesn't haves latest TCP related fixes.
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<Anarchos>
test
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<scanty>
damn, i can't get this blitter working.
<nephele>
was nice to meet people at Fosdem (also begasus)
<nephele>
Sadly didn't meet any other haiku peeps there
<nephele>
erysdren, html email is email because you can send whatever MIME body type you want in an email. Html lends itself well to content that needs to be somewhat structured but doesn't care that much about fonts/colors
<nephele>
for example for a table, adding bold headers etc.
<erysdren>
nephele: true, but i'm extremely frustrated with emails that try to be webpages
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<nephele>
what do you mean by that? many html emails I get add "too much" stuff in it, but mostly that is just marketing garbage (and that is garbage in whatever format you receive it). for normal html emails I get it is perfectly fine to have it for some stuff
<nephele>
it would be good if we add for example netsurf of webkit to e-mail soonish
<nephele>
to render (local only) email content
<nephele>
and allow sending html in the sense of simple Stylededit-style formating
<erysdren>
some of the email newsletters that i am subscribed to (intentionally) will sometimes struggle to load or display weirdly because of Thunderbird
<erysdren>
which annoys me
<erysdren>
most of them use MailChimp iirc
<nephele>
I asked thunderbird ppl today what the dependencies of it were for a port and their answer was "well if frefox runs"
<erysdren>
ahh
<nephele>
before they suggested flatpack, apparmor and other stuff :)
<erysdren>
ough lol
<erysdren>
yeah no thanks
<erysdren>
i want to port TrenchBroom, but its build process requires vcpkg and i don't want to bring that crap to haiku
<nephele>
well, i answered that we aren't linux and don't support linux namespaces
<erysdren>
i haven't yet patched TrenchBroom's build process to use something else
<erysdren>
i believe all of TrenchBroom's dependencies exist on Haiku, i just need to reconfigure their cmake scripts
<nephele>
Ideally we could invest some effort to polish our native email app to support the stuff we need instead of splitting effort into porting countless other mail apps :/
<erysdren>
and CMake scripts are crap
<nephele>
granted this needs webkit2 and that is still a big stepping stone but still
<nephele>
yeah cmake can be annoying
<erysdren>
i'm pretty much obligated to use them for any project i'd actually like someone to use
<erysdren>
if it's just "whatever" code i'll use gnu make
<nephele>
Jam :D
<QuARC[m]>
hey uh, I was here about my thinkpad x230's wifi a while ago; I now have a centrino ultimate-n 6300 in it, but it only works when booting from bios and not when booting from uefi
<nephele>
Hi QuARC[m], sounds like it would be worth a ticket :)
<nephele>
Could be that depending on how the system boots it initialzes more (or less) hardware, there is a very old ticket about this for some components
<QuARC[m]>
(same issue of something like "unable to load firmware" in the syslog)
<QuARC[m]>
yeah... are similar issues known (where something works on bios boot and not uefi, and vice versa)
<nephele>
Somebody complained about something like that on the forum, but i don't think anybody properly reported a bug
<nephele>
Would be nice to report a bug and include: syslog from bios boot; syslog from efi boot; listdev .-v from bios boot; listdev -v from efi boot
<QuARC[m]>
yeah it's pci, I'll put the stock card in (centrino advanced-n something) to see if it also worked under bios (since I somehow never tested it)
<QuARC[m]>
"#3 - in-progress bug; Opened 19 years ago; Last modified 11 days ago" ah, that's how you know it's a good bug
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<nephele>
huh, how does that modification date appear? the last activity was a comment from pulkomandy half a year ago
<nephele>
maybe the votes or so...
<erysdren>
nephele: honestly never used Jam
<nephele>
but yes, this is an older bug (or missing implementation). Some stuff is just open longer in haiku, but we usually get to it eventually :)
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<waddlesplash>
QuARC[m]: nephele: this is probably not the problem, if it was there would be a much clearer error message usually
<waddlesplash>
I don't know what causes this problem on EFI unfortunately. all my machines the wifi works on efi
<nephele>
waddlesplash, unable to load firmware could be just a messages that is after a preceeding different erro
<nephele>
that's why i asked for both syslogs so we can compare :)
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<nephele>
and the listdev to see if anything changes of what the OS sees
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* Anarchos
just found old code to make netboot working on x86_64
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