<Skipp_OSX>
just because I don't understand it doesn't mean it's bad, I'm sure if we set up all the right environmental variables in the right places it would work as it should, I just don't know how to do that or even be able to capably answer questions about it ;/
<OscarL>
:-)
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<waddlesplash>
I guess the shortcut on Windows is Alt+Leftarrow
<waddlesplash>
so, Ctrl+Leftarrow makes sense?
<waddlesplash>
then in Win/Linux shortcut mode it's Alt+Leftarrow again
<Skipp_OSX>
you got it, it's for Win/Linux mode
<Skipp_OSX>
Which is exactly what somebody on Winders would expect back and forward to be
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<Skipp_OSX>
but for everybody else it changes and possibly too much to handle
<Skipp_OSX>
I didn't just come up with the idea, I've been thinking about it a long time, it makes sense, obviously we need #7078 fixed first, which is what I'm working on... it doesn't quite work yet, but it's in the menu!
<Skipp_OSX>
that's maybe the hardest part
<PetePete>
waddlesplash I appreciate that. Certainly looking forward to system drive encryption.
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<andreasdr[m]>
Hi there.
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<andreasdr[m]>
Having disk encryption build into Haiku OS would be a dream for lots of people I guess. Are there plans about that?
<x512[m]>
One of first thing to do when buying a PC with preinstalled Windows is turning off Bitlocker.
<andreasdr[m]>
Yes. But for people like me with Laptops that are actually on the road some time and might loose their laptop, by stealing or loosing, you do not want to have sensible data available for the thiefs or founder.
<x512[m]>
Disk encryption is scary because you can easily lost all your data and no chance of recovery.
<andreasdr[m]>
Yes. Thats true. But my point is also very valid. Maybe we can have it optional?
<x512[m]>
Axeld made a drive encryption driver for Haiku, but I don't know how well it works.
<andreasdr[m]>
Thats why I also asked. But just asking. I have no hurry.
<andreasdr[m]>
Very cool.
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<x512[m]>
Tried to benchmark Haiku and Linux process spawn to prove that Haiku process creation is too slow. ...But as a result Ubuntu was more than 2 times slower.
<x512[m]>
posix_spawn is broken on Linux?
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<andreasdr[m]>
Nice.
<andreasdr[m]>
I have nearly finished our MiniScript language for BETA. Need to write lots of documentation still.
<moparisthebest>
"Disk encryption is scary because you can easily lost all your data and no chance of recovery." woah you don't have backups ?
<moparisthebest>
drives are scary because they can just stop working and then you lose all your data with no chance of recovery :/ encryption or not
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<andreasdr[m]>
I have Backups for my tax and ... stuff
<andreasdr[m]>
x512: Any ideas what else to benchmark to maybe speed up compilation of software or similar?
<andreasdr[m]>
I was surprised about waddlesplash TCP stack voodoo. Now downloading from netbsd or freebsd servers is as fast using Haiku as using Mint Linux.
<andreasdr[m]>
I personally would be OK if encryption would only work for secondary partitions(non boot partitions).
<andreasdr[m]>
Just my thoughts.
<andreasdr[m]>
But nicely integrated into Drive Setup App.
<x512[m]>
moparisthebest: It is hard to have 100% up to date backups.
<moparisthebest>
automate it, you will 100% lose data if you don't
<x512[m]>
In my experience SSD become read only if it wear out.
<x512[m]>
moparisthebest: What do you mean by automation? RAID?
<moparisthebest>
sometimes, if you get lucky they'll go read-only, sometimes they just go away entirely
<moparisthebest>
no, RAID is not a backup
<x512[m]>
If it is just scheduled file copy, there are still a great chance of data loss.
<moparisthebest>
I run https://syncthing.net/ on my laptops, it syncs in real time to my NAS, and that backs up nightly offsite
<moparisthebest>
if syncthing isn't available on haiku you could just have a periodic rsync
<moparisthebest>
but ideally you rsync to a server with a filesystem that can do snapshots, so that you have a few versions for a few weeks, mine is btrfs, so only differences are saved/sent over the network, and if I accidentally delete a bunch of files, I can recover them too
<andreasdr[m]>
Looks cool. The syncthing
<x512[m]>
I create a full archived copy of disk for backups. And keep last n-th archives on another disk.
<x512[m]>
Plus another copies for something important.
<x512[m]>
If something were deleted, it is possible to lookup older archive.
<moparisthebest>
but nothing offsite? if your house burns down that's everything? that makes me nervous
<moparisthebest>
my offsite backup is just a rpi at my mom's house with USB drive enclosures connected, my backups script ssh's in, unlocks the encrypted drives, btrfs send's to them over ssh, locks the drives back, and done
<moparisthebest>
from personal experience if I have to do something manually it'll never get done and I'll regret it lol
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<x512[m]>
From my personal experience, I have very good luck with disks. I still remember old PC with Windows XP that I used for some time when HDD produced clinking sound and OS sometimes didn't boot. But it worked until I got a chance to make HDD image.
<andreasdr[m]>
I restored once our SHS-101 BeOS Software from a CD. Took hours. But I have the code still around.
<andreasdr[m]>
Actually I could open source that. Not sure. Still thinking about it.
<Begasus>
trying to see if I can get akregator up and running with KF5 5.93.0
<lebrancess[m]>
Begasus can you check 3d acceleration for me pls on amd rx 7600=)
<Begasus>
nope
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<Begasus>
still haven't found a way to skip those simd checks for gnubg
<jmairboeck>
in what environment are the builders running? are they virtual machines? maybe they can be configured in a way to not expose any optional CPU features? (or they are already)
<Begasus>
both native
<jmairboeck>
are they physical machines running on bare metal?
<Begasus>
yep
<Begasus>
haven't checked in virtual setup
<jmairboeck>
then they will probably use all the CPU features their CPUs have (and which Haiku supports)
<Begasus>
in itself it isn't bad, only the crash with .conftest, don't know how the buildmasters deal with that
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<Begasus>
at least 2 new libraries so far needed for akregator
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<Begasus>
3
<Begasus>
stupid "waiting for package to ..." :/
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<Begasus>
Not sure if we have a mastodon client, but tokodon is up and running here :) https://0x0.st/H6jZ.4.png
<jmairboeck>
We are slowly getting all the KDE apps :)
<Begasus>
seems we do :P
<Begasus>
plenty of post there for Haiku :D
<Begasus>
nah, still stuck on 5.93.0 there :)
<Begasus>
and plenty of use of dbus-launch :/
<jmairboeck>
just a crazy idea: I'm wondering if dbus could be reimplemented using BMessages (to get a "native" version of dbus without the need for that)
<Begasus>
made it crash :P
<Begasus>
I'm not going there jmairboeck ;)
<jmairboeck>
I'm also not planning to try that :)
<jmairboeck>
but on the other hand: we got Xlibe and the in-process wayland server, so why not try that with dbus as well? ;)
<Begasus>
that's up to the main peeps here :)
<Begasus>
I'm just one of the litle guys at the sideline :P
<jmairboeck>
but you are the number one package maintainer for sure :)
<Begasus>
lol, but not the most knowligable (only when it comes to packaging (and still plenty mistakes there myself)) :P
<Begasus>
3dEyes did all the (hard) groundwork on KDE, I'm just goofing around there :)
<Begasus>
One thing though, KDE has a central develop platform, while you have to hunt Qt/GTK things
<Begasus>
biab
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<PeetPeet>
Mornin'
<Begasus>
'lo PeetPeet
<PeetPeet>
sup sup
<PeetPeet>
I'm fryin' eggs in the kitchen :)
<PeetPeet>
I love having a kithen computer
<Begasus>
enjoy :)
* phschafft
now thinks about a little foxy siting in the corner of the kitchen with an abacus.
<kallisti5>
It's messy, modules are a mess, compatibility is a mess, curly braces are awesome, pip is a mess, python2 vs python3 sucks, tabs are awesome
<kallisti5>
installing packages via setuptools or pyproject pip5xx whatever is a mess
<zard>
Looks like I haven't coded enough Python yet to hate it...
<kallisti5>
It just makes me angry when I have to use it lol
<kallisti5>
virtual environments are a mess
<kallisti5>
requirements.txt are a mess
<kallisti5>
"python == a mess" Thanks for coming to my ted talk
<zard>
I have encountered the compatibility problems, tabs are indeed the way to go IMO, and virtual environments are a mess
<zard>
Thanks for the very informative ted talk ;)
<kallisti5>
i mean, needing to repackage modules for every minor version bump is alo a mess
<bitigchi[m]>
Begasus: yep, my username is different there
<Begasus>
thanks for responding :)
<bitigchi[m]>
Let’s up the thread :)
<Begasus>
first on the agenda there is trying to get Akregator working with our current framework
<bitigchi[m]>
BBL
<win8linux[m]>
Hoping that by getting the attention of people in the KDE Community (especially developers), more people will learn of Haiku and perhaps contribute to improving the state of KDE apps.
<win8linux[m]>
* state of Qt/KDE apps.
<win8linux[m]>
* state of Qt/KDE apps, * KDE apps on it.
<win8linux[m]>
And well of course, just more people using Haiku.
<win8linux[m]>
Considering that the KDE Community also has a fair number of C++ developers, showing Haiku to them may have the potential of attracting them to the project.
<Begasus>
it's mostly fun for me win8linux[m], and if it can attract some peeps +1 :)
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<win8linux[m]>
I should look into what other KDE apps aren't on Haiku yet.
<Begasus>
think I've gone over most of them by now win8linux[m] :)
<win8linux[m]>
What about Haruna, Keysmith, Kontrast, Angelfish, PlasmaTube, and Audiotube?
<win8linux[m]>
Actually hmm, not sure if Haruna at least could work on Haiku. Can any Qt apps pick a colour from the screen?
<win8linux[m]>
Don't recall.
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<Begasus>
last 2 I have had problems with (crashes iirc)
<win8linux[m]>
s/Haruna/Kontrast/
<Begasus>
not checked (yet) :)
<Begasus>
Kontrast needs FutureSQL5 (haven't got that one (yet)) :)
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<Begasus>
whoot, this goes viral :D
<Begasus>
what is this "boosted" thing?
<zard>
I think it's sharing a post
<Begasus>
nice! :)
<win8linux[m]>
Krita lead Halla Rempt has also asked to get in touch with someone for Krita on Haiku in the past:
<Begasus>
yeah, I think the issue is still open at haikuports
<win8linux[m]>
<Begasus> "what is this "boosted" thing?..." <- Reposting
<win8linux[m]>
Works the same as reblog on Tumblr or retweet on ex-Twitter.
<Begasus>
+1 win8linux[m], has got quit a few already :)
<Begasus>
update on Tellice was only released yesterday (saw the post this morning in Akregator) :D
<Begasus>
k, have to step out for a while, bbl
<bitigchi[m]>
<win8linux[m]> "Krita lead Halla Rempt has..." <- > <@win8linux:kde.org> Krita lead Halla Rempt has also asked to get in touch with someone for Krita on Haiku in the past: