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* zard
starts trying to figure out how to handle "Ownership of python objects inheriting from C++ classes"
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* coolcoder613
waves to zard
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zard >
Hello coolcoder613_32 :)
00:19
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zard >
"This is, unfortunately, a limitation of pybind: we keep the C++ instance alive, but can't keep the Python instance alive."
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zard >
And that, of course, is where the trouble starts
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zard >
but there are workarounds, we just need to pick one
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coolcoder613 >
Okay, let's ask all these Haiku developers whether we should apply an icon with attributes, compile with nuitka, or write a C/C++ wrapper for FeedGator
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zard >
Couldn't hurt :)
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coolcoder613 >
Hey PulkoMandy, waddlesplash, augiedoggie
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augiedoggie >
you can apply an icon to scripts but you have to cheat and set the mimetype to be elfexecutable, a number of ports recipes do that
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zard >
Wait, you have to set the mimetype to elfexecutable for the icon to show up?
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augiedoggie >
on a script
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zard >
How about a Python script? I had an icon on the Python script without any special intervention
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augiedoggie >
maybe it's been fixed since i last tried
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coolcoder613 >
As a resource or as an attribute?
00:30
* OscarL
tries to get up to speed with the conversation really quick...
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<
OscarL >
in the meantime...
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augiedoggie >
it would have to be an attribute
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<
coolcoder613 >
But that would disappear if moved off BFS
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<
zard >
OscarL: We could either put an icon and related resources directly onto the Python file, or...
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zard >
turn it into an executable with Nuitka, and use resource files directly, or...
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zard >
write a wrapper program that has the resources whose sole goal is to launch the Python program
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OscarL >
in any case... you'll want to add at least the "mime app-signature", otherwise it won't be picked up by things like QuickLaunch, and the like :-D
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zard >
Good point, wasn't aware of that
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OscarL >
not entirely sure using a wrapper would be best (due to the mentioned app-signatures)...
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OscarL >
the BEOS:TYPE trick works well enough...
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OscarL >
other than that... I would recommend to take a look at whateve "xicon" did.
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OscarL >
(also... me likes simple having a script work with a simple "#!python3", but that's just me :-D)
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zard >
Indeed, there's something beautiful about that simplicity :)
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zard >
What is "xicon"? Can't find it on the terminal or HaikuDepot...
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OscarL >
sorry.. really old app that allowed to run scripts as "regular apps" (via double-click, and such)... will try to find a link for it.
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coolcoder613 >
The thing about a wrapper script, is that it could be reused across Haiku-PyAPI programs
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OscarL >
(I'm getting old, and forgot it was written by Pete Goodeve! :-D)
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OscarL >
coolcoder613: as long as the different programs appear as different apps in QuickLaunch... I wouldn't mind that much :-D
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coolcoder613 >
I mean the source code is reused, not the binary
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augiedoggie >
you can reuse the binary if you get creative
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zard >
coolcoder613: Moving the Python file out of a BFS
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<
zard >
Yikes, half completed message! :P
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<
OscarL >
(I really don't want to pack pybind11 for every possible Python version on Haiku... when you can just `pip3 install` it without much issues, or just use it as a submodule.
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coolcoder613 >
Why not pip3 install in the recipe?
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<
coolcoder613 >
For repeatability, you can pip3 install pybind11==1.2.3
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OscarL >
mostly because we (almost?) never do pip installs on recipes. (not sure if that has changed since I stoped doing Python recipes daily :-D)
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OscarL >
as in... seems we try to not blindly download code while building (at least, not code we can't run checksums on).
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zard >
coolcoder613: Moving the Python file out of a BFS would certainly remove the attributes... but wouldn't that happen with a regular executable as well?
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coolcoder613 >
Once a package is uploaded to pypi, it can't be changed
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OscarL >
if we do end up using pip in the end... sure... we'll "pin" it to a known version.
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coolcoder613 >
zard: It will remove the attributes, but on a regular executable, the icon is not in the attributes, it is in the resources
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OscarL >
coolcoder613: I think mostly "our" issue is that way too many Python projects willy-nilly do "pip install the latest and greatest" if we're not careful :-D
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zard >
Woops, wonder where the reproducible builds went? :D
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* zard
tries removing the icon attribute of a regular executable
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OscarL >
instead of pip install... I guess we could also just do `python -m install` on the pybind wheels provided on PyPI.
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* coolcoder613
nods
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coolcoder613 >
But deps
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OscarL >
we HAVE to declare deps for .hpkgs anyway.
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OscarL >
(part of why we avoid PIP... good luck finding out what else it did installed)
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* zard
discovers that executables are able to recreate their BEOS:ICON resource if it gets destroyed
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zard >
To be continued, maybe... gtg, though
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zard >
bye everyone!
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coolcoder613 >
bye zard
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augiedoggie >
you can't run a beos executable from a filesystem that doesn't support attributes
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augiedoggie >
Tracker will complain that it can't find the mimetype
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phschafft >
is that the relevant attribute or are there more?
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augiedoggie >
i'm not sure what attributes it needs, i copied an executable to a fat32 disk and it failed to run even after i copied it back to bfs
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OscarL >
BeOS/Haiku reliance on app-signature is neat... until you have mounted install for incompatible architectures, and a few of local clones with the same app with diffenent patches applied :-D
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OscarL >
good luck opening the right one then! :-D
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OscarL >
In fact... listing, say, x86 (32 bits) apps on "Open with" while running Haiku 64 bits... should warrant a Trac ticket, if there's none already there.
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OscarL >
one of those things you think... surely this is already known/reported.
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phschafft >
augiedoggie: I see. thanks for the info. :)
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coolcoder613 >
Hi scanty
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scanty >
what's new?
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* OscarL
remembered why he logged in today... he meant to ask a question:
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OscarL >
Hey guys... question for those of you using an USB-Wifi adapter on Haiku... does it shows up as "usb_ecm" or similar in the Network preflet?
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OscarL >
I've never used one before, and I'm a bit worried about trying to find one, only to see it requires chipset-specific drivers (ie. RTL vs Atheros vs Intel, etc)
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* OscarL
waves enthusiastically at scanty, even if a bit late :-D
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scanty >
hi OscarL!
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* OscarL
tries to snatch scanty's snack for himself... he was too slow :-(
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OscarL >
Oh welll time for cooking some pasta then. See you around folks! :-D
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coolcoder613 >
I had a rust program that had a debug build of 13M, and I got it down to 291K!
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coolcoder613 >
I've now got that binary down to 224K
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vdamewood >
Now if only they would add rsync.
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Begasus >
g'morning peeps
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coolcoder613 >
Hi Begasus
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Begasus >
Hi coolcoder613
07:11
* coolcoder613
got a Rust program down from 11MB to 224K
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Begasus >
whoot! and still fully functional?
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Begasus >
g'morgen nielx[m] :)
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nielx[m] >
goedemorgen :-)
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Begasus >
list is getting smaller :) ~> inrecipe devel:libicu | grep ">= 66"
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Begasus >
a few nasty ones in there though
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Nephele >
So far no bugs about the new native control rendering. neat. Either it works fine or nobody wants to report bugs :3
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<
Nephele >
Begasus: probably easier to do grep -v "74"
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<
Nephele >
to only show recipes that do
*not* have the specification for icu 74
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Begasus >
an option too Nephele, was for now filtering out the obvious
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<
Begasus >
the ones not mentioning a version could be either
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Begasus >
just did boot169/boost170, seems boost1.83 still uses icu73, so doing that in one roll
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Nephele >
too many boost versions :)
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Begasus >
and probably drop the old 1.65 and 1.66
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Begasus >
working on moving up to 1.83 where I can so we could drop 1.69 later on too (if possible)
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<
Nephele >
I actually wonder, isn't boost severall different libraries for C++? maybe we can split that up a bit
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Begasus >
I mostly look at repology for that kind of stuff, but you need to make sure you package the "correct" libraries together then
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Begasus >
not the most fun thing to do :)
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Begasus >
at least for LO it's narrowed down to one version
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Nephele >
thanks for that, it's already much nicer with only one version :)
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Nephele >
looks like they split them up already
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Begasus >
it's always good to have a fallback, for older version when a new one comes along, it's not always progress :)
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<
Begasus >
the major OS's there only provide one package though
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Nephele >
sure. But would be cool if for example LO could depend on one version of specific boost libraries, then updating them is not that important
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Nephele >
since it won't redownload huge sets of uneeded libraries, but just pick different versions of libs that just happen to be in one project ;)
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Begasus >
Gentoo also (that's our guide) :)
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Nephele >
I know. but alpine linux and adelie split it up ;)
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Begasus >
and Entware ... who uses that :P
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Nephele >
and yes, generally gentoo is the guide on the "where to put". but not the how
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Begasus >
granted there :)
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Nephele >
gentoos portage is very... slow... and we don't even implement
*any* options to compile ports, while gentoo tries to support all of them
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Nephele >
gentoo is a buffet with every food, Haiku is a themed restaurant
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<
Nephele >
"Sir, we don't serve pulseaudio here"
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Begasus >
not that familiar with the ebuilds, always give me the creeps :D
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Begasus >
building pulseaudio could be possible, using it is another thing :)
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Begasus >
I even have a recipe for "jack" (ducks), but without a backend it's of no use
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Nephele >
I hope we don't inherit the linux audio mess. Ideally high level libs that applications need can use the media kit directly, or the apps can be ported to it.
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Begasus >
I think there is still a lot of work to be done on media kit (afaik)
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Nephele >
sure. But the main reason people use jack is to have low latency audio, if media kit can provide this then just use media kit. If it cannot then using jack makes no sense either
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Nephele >
Begasus: are there severall .so libraries in the current boost package?
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Nephele >
we could probably do the same with boost if it's already severall shared libraries
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Nephele >
too bad i cant view package contents online with HDS
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Nephele >
okay, thanks
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Nephele >
seems "easy" to split up? :)
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Begasus >
1.84 is out I see :P
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Begasus >
you could look into that Nephele, not that hard :D
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Begasus >
1.83 is only 117.2MiB :P
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Nephele >
110 mb is much to download on a slow connection
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Begasus >
peanuts compared to webkit ;)
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botifico >
[haikuports/haikuports] Begasus bda0fe3 - boost, cleanup old, revbump other to use icu74 (#10086)
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Begasus >
k, that was the end for the 2 old versions ;)
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Begasus >
bah ... grcompiler needs icu66 (no updates upstream for 3 years) :/
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Nephele >
Begasus: is haikuwebkit that difficult to download?
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Nephele >
how big is its package?
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Begasus >
no Nephele, it's HUGE :)
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Begasus >
I think somewhere around 1.3GB
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Begasus >
granted, not as big as texlive though
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Nephele >
the entire haiku image is 1.3GB, how can haikuwebkit be....?
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Begasus >
1314816K ........ ........ ........ .... 2.19M=9m49s (from buildmaster)
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Nephele >
yes, that's the source. But that wasn't my question :)
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Nephele >
the source includes a huuuuge ammount of tests that isn't needed for distributing the webengine
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Begasus >
it's not more difficult/easier then downloading something else
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Begasus >
can't be split?
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Nephele >
The source download has no impact on the binary. I'm asking what the binary download size is of haikuwebkit
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Begasus >
the hpkg?
09:27
<
Begasus >
ah, say that then :)
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<
Nephele >
> Nephele> how big is its package?
09:28
<
Nephele >
is boost also that big?
09:28
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Begasus >
ah, my bad, missed that line ;)
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Begasus >
small package
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Begasus >
devel package for boost1.83 is +16MiB
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Nephele >
downloading 3mb is not that bad indeed
09:30
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Begasus >
hmm .. why is there an empty documentation folder in that devel package ...
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Begasus >
a docDir vs documentationDir thing I guess
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Begasus >
documentation package for boost1.83 +12MiB :-)
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andreasdr[m] >
Hi there.
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Begasus >
Arrr andreasdr[m]
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<
PriyanshuGupta[m] >
hii
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andreasdr[m] >
Hi Begasus, Nephele and Priyanshu Gupta.
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botifico >
[haikuports/haikuports] Begasus a18e155 - grcompiler, disable recipe, no updates after icu66 (#10087)
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botifico >
[haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 3e533dc - libebook, revbump, use icu74 (#10088)
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botifico >
[haikuports/haikuports] korli 5a63715 - rhash: bump version
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botifico >
[haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 3f284e8 - gptfdisk, bump version (#10089)
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nekobot >
[haiku/haiku] 1774dd5ee9de - ffmpeg: channels and channel_layout are deprecated
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nekobot >
[haiku/haiku] 7804ba6054a3 - ffmpeg: use new AVFifo API
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botifico >
[haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 0f9751c - libmspub, revbump, use icu74 (#10090)
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botifico >
[haikuports/haikuports] Begasus cb0a630 - nuspell, revbump, use icu74 (#10091)
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Begasus >
afk again :)
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botifico >
[haikuports/haikuports] korli d1cf939 - cppdap: new recipe
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<
botifico >
[haikuports/haikuports] korli f60d0e8 - libarchive: bump version
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botifico >
[haikuports/haikuports] korli d2d7b10 - rhash: add compat recipe for soname 0
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botifico >
[haikuports/haikuports] korli 69972d2 - cppdap: trigger build
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botifico >
[haikuports/haikuports] korli 49e6002 - rhash: add compat strings
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botifico >
[haikuports/haikuports] korli e620ba8 - cppdap: trigger build
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Begasus >
bugger, now my tree is out of sync :P
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botifico >
[haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 3539594 - sword, revbump, use icu74, disable static library (#10092)
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Begasus >
wiki to the resque :)
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botifico >
[haikuports/haikuports] korli dbfd2a2 - lgogdownloader: bump version
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botifico >
[haikuports/haikuports] korli 898533d - ninja: move to dev-build
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botifico >
[haikuports/haikuports] korli 1779a0f - meson: move to dev-build
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zard >
That's a lot of commits :)
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botifico >
[haikuports/haikuports] korli fb2704b - bmake: move to dev-build
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botifico >
[haikuports/haikuports] korli e8020a9 - automake: move to dev-build
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botifico >
[haikuports/haikuports] korli 6c2d96a - libtool: move to dev-build
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botifico >
[haikuports/haikuports] korli 3d83097 - autoconf: move to dev-build
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botifico >
[haikuports/haikuports] korli f56cf6e - netsurf_buildsystem: move to dev-build
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botifico >
[haikuports/haikuports] korli 10cb0ce - scons: move to dev-build
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zard >
I see, moving a bunch of tools to dev-build. Wonder where those were before
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Begasus >
dev-util :)
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zard >
and sys-devel :)
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Begasus >
didn't check all :)
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botifico >
[haikuports/haikuports] korli f1a328e - kbuild: move to dev-build
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botifico >
[haikuports/haikuports] korli 2090b64 - gn: move to dev-build
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zard >
So you're folder structure is based off of Gentoo?
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Begasus >
new sub directory also
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Begasus >
makes more sense also
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Begasus >
once korli is up and running, nothing can stop him :D
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botifico >
[haikuports/haikuports] korli 3630e63 - gyp: move to dev-build
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andreasdr[m] >
Arrrr
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Begasus >
k, let's see if this works for postgrsql
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bbjimmy >
It seems that the latest update broke Falcon hrev57576
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bbjimmy >
state: Call (abort() called)
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bbjimmy >
whatever that means.
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zard >
No other output?
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Begasus >
issues reported bbjimmy
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Begasus >
hrev57575 is the one that broke it
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Begasus >
and a "few" others
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zard >
Issue URL: github.com/haikuports/haikuports/issues/10071
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zard >
Alas, the problem isn't obvious
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Begasus >
major change is the build switch to ICU74
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andreasdr[m] >
zard: Arrrrrr.
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Begasus >
3 of 192 tests failed (not bad considering the tests didn't run before) :P
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BrunoSpr >
hello all,
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BrunoSpr >
hello Begasus
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Begasus >
Hi BrunoSpr
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nosycat >
Hi there!
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Begasus >
Hi nosycat
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Begasus >
k, PR for postgresql12 files, could use a second look :)
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Begasus >
files/filed*
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* Begasus
suspects OscarL is around ...
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bjorkintosh >
offer peeps, Begasus.
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Begasus >
nah, keeping all bjorkintosh :)
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bjorkintosh >
tsk tsk.
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Begasus >
two lang ones now .. R and swift ..
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Begasus >
coolcoder613, maybe something for you? "Microsoft is seeking a software architect to port Microsoft 365 to Rust | TechSpot" ;)
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nosycat >
I thought we had R already.
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Begasus >
switching ICU dependency nosycat
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Begasus >
atm still uses ICU66
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nosycat >
Ooh, okay.
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Begasus >
still good :)
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nosycat >
Doesn't impact me, just curious.
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Begasus >
np, rkward still looking ok
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botifico >
[haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 5f67216 - R, switch to icu74 (#10094)
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botifico >
[haikuports/haikuports] Begasus e4abe7b - ixion, revbump, use boost1.83 (#10095)
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Habbie >
oh i see the hostname in /whois, so yes :)
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Begasus >
he's busy today :)
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Habbie >
i was wondering suddenly, because i set up a different bot for another project recently
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botifico >
[haikuports/haikuports] Begasus cb418f2 - orcus, revbump, use boost1.83 (#10096)
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Begasus >
simular to this one?
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Habbie >
less colorful though
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Habbie >
and in our case, more focused on conversations in issues/PRs
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Begasus >
still nice, up and running
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* zard
hops onto #powerdns out of curiosity
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zdykstra >
oh, I misread what Habbie posted. Derp.
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Habbie >
actually i was wondering where the -service- was
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* zdykstra
puts a dunce hat on and sits himself in timeout for 10 minutes
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Habbie >
i just found the notifico source
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Habbie >
had i known, i might not have set up my own bot ;)
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Begasus >
too late to switch?
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Habbie >
definitely not
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Habbie >
i'm going to observe the bot here for a while before i decide ;)
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nekobot >
[haiku/haiku] bd34f534dd41 - libroot: Disable -Werror and re-enable safeClone usage.
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Begasus >
one down :)
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Begasus >
time to close down here
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Begasus >
cu peeps!
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botifico >
[haikuports/haikuports] korli e5dbf55 - cmake: bump version
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> hint: The '.git/hooks/commit-msg' hook was ignored because it's not set as executable.
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Nephele >
so now "run chmod +x" has to be documented too?
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erysdren >
hello Anarchos
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Anarchos >
erysdren how goes ?
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erysdren >
pretty good. i'm assembling a music video mix dvd
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Anarchos >
sounds nice
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Anarchos >
my music skills are : 2 years piano at age 8. And listening black metal at 45.
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Al2O3 >
any one want to buy some original BeOS clothing?
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Al2O3 >
I bought the auction clothing back in 2001, have had it here for 23 years packed away, vacuum sealed.
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Al2O3 >
well, wow or not, its in two boxes and came from the Be Inc. HQ auction.
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Al2O3 >
its just taking up space here.
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Habbie >
where, roughly, is here? US?
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Al2O3 >
rocky mountains
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Al2O3 >
I will inventory it, mostly polo shirts, caps, t-shirts
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Al2O3 >
the typical original stuff from Be.
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Al2O3 >
never thought I'd consider selling original Be Inc stuff after I sold my boxens
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Al2O3 >
but I see there is this stuff around, and it should be worn by Haiku heads.
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Al2O3 >
Instead of BeBobbins
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Al2O3 >
as I used to call the Be Boys
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Al2O3 >
like bobble heads.
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botifico >
[haikuports/haikuports] korli 6bbe059 - noto: add recipe for version 24.2.1
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