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<erysdren> hello HaikuUser
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<coolcoder613> Hi Skygazer
<Skygazer> Hiya Erysdren. Sorry, was afk. Hey CoolCoder. I used to live in BeOS as a daily driver for a couple years in the late 90s. Thought I'd revist my past a bit. Went to install Bowser again, but realized I'd installed the 64bit Haiku. Oh well. =)
<Skygazer> Surprisingly usable running on Apple Silicon on an emulated x86 with only emulated VESA.
* coolcoder613 has a m series mac too! UTM or QEMU?
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<Skygazer> UTM, which I guess is also QEMU behind the scenes.
<Skygazer> bbl
<coolcoder613> It runs at an okay speed, but it is way slower than on real hardware, or on an accelerated VM
<coolcoder613> rfvb eg7io;0[
<scanty> cat on keyboard?
<coolcoder613> vacuum cleaner
<scanty> ah
<phschafft> so a fox on the keyboard.
<scanty> ant eater, perhaps.
<phschafft> hm.
<Ellenor> wait what
<Ellenor> since when did coolcoder613 have a pet fox
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* coolcoder613 is cleaning his laptop with a vacuum cleaner to suck up the dust from the keyboard
<coolcoder613> the fox belongs to phschafft
<scanty> can i have the cat?
<phschafft> don't have a pet fox. more being on the cat side myself.
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<scanty> me too.
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<phschafft> but I would say that I prefer the bigger ones.
<scanty> i like them big, i like them small, i like them all
* phschafft nods.
<AlienSoldier> scanty boobs?
<scanty> lols
<scanty> pretty sure we were talking about cats, unless i missed something :^)
<phschafft> at least I was.
<AlienSoldier> sorry i did not noticed you were talking about pussies :P
<scanty> lols
<phschafft> with a tuft.
<erysdren> hm.
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<coolcoder613> Hi HaikuUser
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<coolcoder613> Hello Skygazer
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<Skygazer> Hey again -- okay, reinstalled 32bit haiku, just to run beos binaries. Tried Bowser, my prev irc client, and it loads and sorta works, but the UI won't allow me to set the nick before it connects. I guess the ui apis aren't 100% beos compatable
* coolcoder613 uses GoBe Productive and Be Basics on Haiku
<coolcoder613> Also Net+
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<scanty> what's Be Basics?
<coolcoder613> Office suite
<scanty> ah, never heard of it.
<scanty> i had gobe productive though
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<coolcoder613> Hi OscarL
<OscarL> Hello there coolcoder613! :-)
<OscarL> How's life in AUS?
<OscarL> (hot as down here, I guess? :-D)
<coolcoder613> No, now it's quite cool at 23C, but saturday and sunday went up to 38
<OscarL> coolcoder613: glad to hear you're not melting right now! 4 am here, and my termometre still marks 31 C :-/
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<OscarL> *thermometer (sorry for my poor "English" :-D)
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<Begas_VM> g'morning peeps
<OscarL> Aloha Begas_VM :-)
<Begas_VM> checking Falkon on latest nightly, crashes indeed
<Begas_VM> Hi OscarL :)
<OscarL> no wonder we have some "loose screws" after that ICU thing :-D
<OscarL> (among other updated packages)
<Begas_VM> will do a reboot to bare metal in a bit to see what gives ...
<OscarL> I was reading the logs earlier... was quite gladd to see kallisti5[m] giving a shout out to all the work you do Begas_VM!
<Begas_VM> when launched from Terminal
<Begas_VM> ;)
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<Begasus> No wonder I keep on R1B4 :P
<OscarL> also.. mayor props to ALL involved on updating that PITA of a package!
<Begasus> yeah, but needed to get done
<Begasus> k, reboot
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<Begasus> back
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<Begasus> k, still good on beta
<andreasdr[m]> Hi there.
<Begasus> Hi there andreasdr[m]
<andreasdr[m]> Hi Begasus.
<OscarL> Good day, andreasdr[m]!
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<Begasus> Looks like I have to bump the other laptop to nightly ...
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* OscarL thinks he will have to rely on VMs to run Haiku on his "new" netbook, after the WiFi decides to not work anymore :-(
<Begasus> problem is also that a revbump won't do any good I think (buildmasters still on R1B4)
<Begasus> bugger OscarL :/
<OscarL> yeah. a real pain in the rear :-D... on the other hand...
<coolcoder613> Uptime exactly 28 days, and now i have to reboot
<OscarL> makes for a good case of trying to help debug the usb_rndis driver :-D
<coolcoder613> (mail client playing up)
<OscarL> coolcoder613: lunar cycle, nice :-P
<Begasus> looking at Terminal with pkgman full-sync, aside from Haiku packages only expat showing there
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<Begasus> backing up those files :)
* OscarL REALLY hopes to be able to finally tackle Python-on-nightlies before the weekend ends :-D
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<Begasus> k, same error on 32bit
<Begasus> it's not expat :)
<OscarL> being able to weed out stuff... progress!
<Begasus> weet?
<OscarL> as in "removing weeds"... or in this case... determining what causes the issue, and what doesn't.
<OscarL> I might have used the proper idiom :-)
<OscarL> *not
<OscarL> "*not have used", darn it! :-P
<Begasus> biab, dogs :)
<OscarL> Might be time for me to log off for today already, heh.
<OscarL> Be well folks!
<Begasus> later OscarL!
<OscarL> See you Begasus!
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* coolcoder613 finally got two vouches for blinkenshell
* Ellenor e
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<Begasus_32> message from syslog: https://bpa.st/BVSQ
<Begasus> Qt-Designer/Kasts still good, so it's not Qt (I think) :)
<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-2/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/f6a8a5143fc3...4b92de411dd0
<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 4b92de4 - qt_creator, bump version (#10070)
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<Begasus_32> find: sanity check of the fnmatch() library function failed.
<Begasus_32> weird, "inrecipe" errors also
<Begasus_32> haikuporter/python broken too? https://bpa.st/ZW4Q
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<Begasus> hmm ... maybe should check bug tracker first ...
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<Begasus> I'm guessing these issues related to the update on ICU should go to bugtracker? Filed one for Falkon just now
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<OscarL> here for just a moment... Begasus... that Python error sounds nasty :-D
<OscarL> I blindly suggest the following...
<OscarL> if possible, try re-building Python on beta4 with updated icu.
<Begasus> just added
<Begasus> I have no issues on R1B4
<Begasus> that's all on the nightly
<OscarL> if build ends well, try installing that version on nightlies, and see if that works.
<Begasus> hmm ... could do that
<Begasus> OscarL, ICU isn't included in python?
<OscarL> icu is fundamental to Haiku.
<Begasus> the current installed python there is the one that was/is in R1B4 (that wasn't updated during transition from R1B4 to nightly), as do the other packages ...
<OscarL> plenty of functions Python uses are implemented on top of ICU, as far as I understand it.
<Begasus> but how would python build know what icu version to handle?
<OscarL> right...
<OscarL> might have been just my wishfull thinking...
<Begasus> if I rebuild it here, while on R1B4 icu66 is still the default it wouldn't do any good I suppose
<OscarL> hoping for a simple rebuild :-D
<Begasus> well, building it on a nightly with a broken haikuporter is hard too ;)
<Begasus> thought about that ...
<OscarL> guess I SHOULD have gone to sleep already... not thinking things straight enough, I guess :(
<Begasus> bet you can't sleep now! :P
<OscarL> it certainly caught my eye... by the brain isn't collaborating much :-D
<Begasus> as usual? ;)
<OscarL> indeed!
<Begasus> need to get mine in turbo mode now :)
<OscarL> welp... at least I'm here giving you some moral support! :-D
<Begasus> maybe I just add a devel dependency in the python recipe (even if it's not used)
<Begasus> thanks :D
<OscarL> Maybe I should go to sleep.... Wake up... follow korli's pointers, and get Python working on nightlies (on my still not icu-74 one at least).
<Begasus> k, let's check this ..
<Begasus> yeah, stay away from latest update then
<Begasus> g'night :)
* OscarL wishes he was better managing his focus :-)
<OscarL> See you later Begasus
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<Begasus> good thing NextCloud is still running :)
<Begasus> k, need to reboot to virtual machines ...
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<Begasus> spamming then chan :P
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<AlienSoldier> Begasus was there a snag to compile the latest mame for 32 bit (only saw it for 64bit)?
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] pulkomandy pushed 1 commit to master [hrev57576] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=eb2154fd47f2+%5Ecac7a2f426d1
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] eb2154fd47f2 - acpi_ac & acpi_lid: return early if read position is not zero.
<Begasus_32> not sure AlienSoldier, haven't checked a build there myself
<Begasus> did the previous version build ok?
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<AlienSoldier> i don't remember a 32 bit build at all
<Begasus> ah :)
<AlienSoldier> i think it was only xmame or advancemame
<AlienSoldier> the 64 bit one seem to be the main mame
<Begasus> that one has been updated by coolcoder613
<AlienSoldier> that is what i wanted to test, i always have some issue with the others
<AlienSoldier> and don't get me started on libretro
<Begas_VM> bugger ... nexcloud is crashing now on nightly too :/
<coolcoder613> Which one have I updated?
<Begas_VM> mame?
<coolcoder613> me?
<Begas_VM> not? whoops
<Begas_VM> OK, that didn't work ....
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<Begasus> back on bare metal, this is way over my head I think :) (looks at kallisti5) :)
<Nephele> good day
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<Begasus> Hi there Nephele
<Begasus> it still is on R1B4 :P
<Begasus> k, at least clean up some recipes that still use icu66 ...
<Nephele> we are making good progress on the blockers for beta5, exciting :)
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<Begasus> yeah, but braking things in the meantime :)
<Nephele> yeah. This is an unfortunate side effect of there beeing only a single branch haikuports
<Nephele> otherwise we could easily work towards the nightlies stabilizing packages in a new branch without affecting beta4 at all
<Nephele> perhaps for beta5 we can try to split this up a bit
<Begasus> beta4 is not infected as far as I can tell
<Begasus> everything works still here
<Nephele> yes, but we need to be extra carefull to ensure beta4 still works
<Begasus> right
<Nephele> if it was only the nightlies we could upgrade packages one after the other to icu74 or whatever, not caring that intermediate states don't work
<Begasus> and inform people not to update nightly untill this is fixed
<Nephele> people are already informed, it's out testing/unstable branch ;)
<Nephele> our*
<Begasus> be prepared for some issues popping up :)
<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-2/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/4b92de411dd0...122a0da2985b
<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 122a0da - libzim, bump version, switch to icu74 (#10072)
<Begasus> one down ... :)
<Nephele> I am happy with the explicit >=74 though, this will make future changes much easier
<Begasus> at one point we should be able to drop icu66, and the reports will inform us on failing dependencies then (if not fixed by then)
<Begasus> k, patch for libzim upstream in a PR :)
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<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-2/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/122a0da2985b...d4e7411cbce4
<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus d4e7411 - libkiwix, bump version, use icu74 (#10073)
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<botifico-ecd96135> [haiku/website] korli pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haiku/website/compare/629387b470fd...afb2a94bbd33
<botifico-ecd96135> [haiku/website] nephele-gh afb2a94 - Fix url for git commit hook (#663)
<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/d4e7411cbce4...c8f4dc531b77
<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus c8f4dc5 - libqalculate, bump version, use icu74 (#10075)
<Begasus> qt-creator still not done on 64bit buildmaster .... :)
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<Begasus> sometime it pays to visit upstream for changes :) https://github.com/ncmpcpp/ncmpcpp/commit/dc46f7a49b5bd0fdd2b3b181ece88a3fb8482dc5
<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/c8f4dc531b77...e390d6cb6ad6
<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus e390d6c - kiwix_tools, bump version, use icu74 (#10074)
<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-2/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/e390d6cb6ad6...831358587ecd
<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 8313585 - ncmpcpp, bump version, update dependencies (#10076)
<Nephele> where is the documentation for secure boot? can't find it anymore
<Begasus> beats me
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<Begasus> k, where is this comming from: Warning: Error: found provides for "devel:libicui18n >= 74", but none matching the version requirement
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<Begasus> I don't see this when building here
<Begasus> ah! strange I don't get a warning here ...
<Nephele> nice, got it to boot with secure boot now
<Nephele> doesn't seem like the firmware does much error checking though :(
<Nephele> just keeps saying Sucess!!
<Begasus> lib:libicui18n >= 66.1
<Begasus> something is pulling in that one on buildmaster :/
<Begasus> iirc I had to disable it on this one Nephele
* Begasus bumps head! tsss
<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/831358587ecd...faff217fa3ec
<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus faff217 - libzim, revbump to fix build for icu74 on buildmaster (#10077)
<Begasus> stupid mistake :)
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<Nephele> uff. installed beta4 on a thumb drive, worked fine. installed it from it on a second thumb drive... doesn't boot
<Nephele> was already suspicious that it said "writing boot sector" on a efi install .-.
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<Begasus> efi is still a soar thing :/
<Begasus> Hi zard
<Begasus> ah, PR ready for merge zard? :)
<zard> Yep :)
<Begasus> I see korli reply, strange he didn't hit the merge button :P
<Nephele> sore?
<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/faff217fa3ec...b93f9433921c
<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] Zardshard b93f943 - haiku-pyapi: Release 0.2 (#10062)
<Begasus> or that Nephele :)
<zard> :D
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<Nephele> Begasus: well, i was more asking what you mean by that. not trying to correct your spelling (why you think it is a sore sport )
<Begasus> just don't try it on latest nightly, python is broken there
<Begasus> install part for that could be easier I guess Nephele
<Begasus> I'm just glad I got it sorted out on this one :D
<Begasus> hi diver
<zard> Now once that's available on HaikuDepot, I can make a post on the forums
<diver1> hi Begasus
<Begasus> up and running on the buildmasters zard :)
<Nephele> yes it could be easier
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<Begasus> k, we got mpd.rdef.in already included in the source but still patch a rdef into there?
<Begasus> do we even use mpd?
<Nephele> we?
<Nephele> you mean in the default haiku install?
<Begasus> yeah, nothing installed on both laptops here
<Nephele> andreasdr[m], you there?
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<Begasus> booting that one back into R1B4 in a bit, wonders if things will still be broken :)
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<Begasus> upstream PR for libzim merged :)
<zard> haiku_pyapi_python310 update has been built and released :)
<Begasus> nice zard, thanks!
<Begasus> bugger, Tracker crashing now on 32bit :/
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<zard> All of the rest have been built and released. 0.2 is officially out and available for download!
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<Begasus> whohoo! :D
<Begasus> upstream patch for libkiwix almost merged too I guess :)
<Begasus> re-installing on the other laptop
<Nephele> upstreaming patches? :)
<Begasus> nope :P
<Begasus> reinstalling R1B4 32bit
<Begasus> Good, Windows still crashing there :P
<Begasus> k, updating ...
<Begasus> libkiwix patch upstreamed :)
<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/b93f9433921c...b0270a72e60a
<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus b0270a7 - kiwix and tools, revbump for libzim (#10079)
<Begasus> nice, python up and running again
<zard> Finally decided to get a mastodon account. It's @zardshard@toot.fan. Not sure if/how often I'll post
<Begasus> heh, just make sure you post about #HaikuOS :)
<Begasus> about/with :)
<zard> Oh right, that reminds me of something I should do
* zard follows #HaikuOS
<Begasus> +1 :)
<Begasus> that was fast zard :)
<zard> Now I wonder why those posts aren't showing up in my home feed?
<Begasus> Like this? https://0x0.st/HkFC.png :)
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<zard> Not sure what you're showing. I mean the posts from #HaikuOS don't seem to be showing up in my feed. Maybe some quirk of federation?
<Begasus> showing here: https://0x0.st/HkCo.png
<Begasus> cool, build system up and running again on 32bit
<zard> Oh yes, the posts from @Haiku show up fine (I think...), just not the hashtag
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<cocobean> Begasus: Hi
<Begasus> need to get a good mastodon clientt zard :)
<Begasus> hi cocobean
<cocobean> Check on PR for brotli and dav1d..... let me know if they are good now.
<zard> Hehe, ah well. Slowly but surely I'll figure things out :)
<Begasus> still new here too, just using it to promote some Haiku stuff :)
<cocobean> Ok.. closing down in a bit.
<Begasus> cu later cocobean
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<Begasus> k, reports clean again :)
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<andreasdr[m]> Arrrrrrrr
<andreasdr[m]> Nephele: I am here now.
<Nephele> hi :)
<andreasdr[m]> Whats uppppp?
<andreasdr[m]> Hi
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<Nephele> I wanted to ask if you use LLM to write your articles? I saw the one for haikuwebkit's update and was quite confused that it was about twice or three times the length of my forum post and included some factual errors that weren't in the original post
<andreasdr[m]> ??? Sure you dont mean someone else? LLM?`Which article?
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<Begasus> afk for a while
<Nephele> I thought you are the author, or am i confusing you with soemone else?
<andreasdr[m]> Thats not me. Its a andrea not me, who is named andreas.
<Nephele> oh. Sorry for the confusion then :)
<andreasdr[m]> No worries. He is around in forums. You can ask there.
<Nephele> thanks
<Nephele> for reference LLM is large language model
<Nephele> also reffered to as a "generative AI"
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<andreasdr[m]> Oh Ok.
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<Anarchos> hello
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<Begasus> hi Anarchos
<Begasus> k, that was the last one for today
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<Begasus> heading out, cu peeps!
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<coolcoder613_32> Good morning
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<botifico-ecd96135> [haiku/website] nielx 4564930 - Blog Post: RFC Class Member Declaration Formatting
<coolcoder613_32> How can you view other tracks of a data CD?
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<coolcoder613_32> I want to mount the second track of my BeOS CD
<PulkoMandy> They show as partitions in the mount menu, nothing special to do?
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<coolcoder613_32> Nope, I can only see the BeOS_tools track
<coolcoder613_32> It is a USB cd/dvd drive
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<Anonymous> # Appears as ANNA
<Anonymous> # Appears as MAYNARD
<Anonymous> (#GH::E110M1) hello guys
<Anonymous> (#G;<:E510M1) i made this post on windows 98
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