<erysdren>
my main incentive to get a working Haiku OS machine right now is cuz i wanna take Genio for a spin
<erysdren>
it looks really good
* coolcoder613
is using Genio right now
<coolcoder613>
It's good
<erysdren>
im glad :3
<erysdren>
i just don't have a suitable machine sadly
<AlienSoldier>
augiedoggie usually i am happy with jsut waiting the builds, but i really can't wait to have that falkon problem solved, it really hurt my workflow.
<erysdren>
and my main PC isn't good enough to run a vm
<coolcoder613>
What is it?
<coolcoder613>
Your main PC
<erysdren>
Dell Inspiron laptop from 2017, i forget the exact model number
<coolcoder613>
specs?
<erysdren>
it's hooked up to a mouse, keyboard and monitor but it only has 8GB of RAM
<coolcoder613>
8GB is fine for VMs
<erysdren>
not in my experience
<erysdren>
i tried running a Haiku VM with 4G of RAM allocated, and it couldn't run some things
<erysdren>
they would just freeze the VM
<coolcoder613>
Even on windows it's okay
<coolcoder613>
And 4GB of RAM is DEFINATELY not a problem for haiku
<erysdren>
maybe the particular program that froze the VM had problems
<erysdren>
Begasus reported that the ported game ran fine, but he's on an actual Haiku machine with more RAM
<coolcoder613>
But VirtualBox does not work well with Haiku, don't use it
<erysdren>
i use QEMU
<coolcoder613>
Use QEMU/KVM
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<coolcoder613>
My Haiku desktop has 3GB of RAM and it runs everything very well
<erysdren>
oh huh
<erysdren>
not sure why it wasn't working then lol
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<OscarL>
erysdren: Hi. I used to run my VMs with only 2 GB. Good enough for building Python with optimizations enabled. Had to up to 3 GB to do some heavier builds (numpy/scipy, and some others that now escape me).
<coolcoder613>
Try switching around the options, use a different virtual video card...
<OscarL>
erysdren: and this is on an old Phenom II CPU.
<erysdren>
regardless of the VM not working right, i still want a Haiku desktop machine just because it'd be fun
<erysdren>
lol
<coolcoder613>
+1
<erysdren>
every time i've tried, i either couldn't get internet working, or video, or both
* coolcoder613
remembers...
<coolcoder613>
Why not get a USB wifi thingy
<erysdren>
costs money
<erysdren>
that's why i haven't bought a craptop to put Haiku on
<erysdren>
i don't have steady income
<coolcoder613>
It's not expensive only $10-20
<OscarL>
long ethernet cable? /me remembers wiring up a 15+ meters PARALLEL cable to make do for the lack of ethernet cards :-D
<OscarL>
Still have that monster of ta cable stored here. Today... the copper on that thing surely cost more than the ethernet cards :-P
<erysdren>
lol
<OscarL>
erysdren: do you have friends with WiFi mini-pci-e cards? maybe you can swap yours for one that works on Haiku?
<erysdren>
sadly no, i don't really have any local friends are computer nerds
<erysdren>
a lot of them don't even have PCs, just phones
<OscarL>
Bummer.
<erysdren>
you're tellin me :P
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<OscarL>
Perhaps some good soul with old hardware lying around (*cough* PeetPeet *cough*) can find a supported card and he can mail it to you? :-D
<coolcoder613>
The only computer person I know is my grandfather ;)
<Al2O3>
ebay?
<Al2O3>
freecycle, or otherwise local aged computer clubs?
<OscarL>
what? going outside and interacting with LIVE people?
* OscarL
rather attempts to write a driver on his own! :-P
<Al2O3>
inman and inman?
<coolcoder613>
OscarL: But it's like.. ChatGPT but more intelligent
<coolcoder613>
;)
<OscarL>
Just for reference... "RTL8188EE" <<< that's an old/cheap mini-pci-express card that works with Haiku (found in the "El Cheapo" HP craptops from 2014/16).
<Al2O3>
nice
<Al2O3>
RTL stuff
* coolcoder613
sometimes thinks with /me commands
<erysdren>
what does "Interrupted System Call" mean?
<erysdren>
it's a pkgman error
<OscarL>
got that earlier today.
<erysdren>
i've gotten it multiple times while trying to install Falkon
<erysdren>
i'm presuming it's because this VM runs at max CPU almost all the time
<OscarL>
`pkgman full` on beta4 seems to work. So... only the latest nighly builds are borked for updating, it seems?
<OscarL>
erysdren: are you sure Genio requires hrev57458? because Genio - 2.1.0-1 is in the repos, and the buildmasters run beta4 (a not so fresh one even)
<erysdren>
it's in the repos?
<erysdren>
i was just using the hpkg from the github page
<erysdren>
i was already partway through a full-sync lol
<erysdren>
aaghh
<coolcoder613>
why not install from the Depot?
<erysdren>
i dunno!!
<erysdren>
i didn't know it was on there!!
<coolcoder613>
*Everything* is there
<erysdren>
gah
<erysdren>
now im upgrading to a possibly broken nightly
<erysdren>
lol
<erysdren>
ugh, maybe i just need to reinstall this vm
<coolcoder613>
But updating to nightly is still a good idea
<OscarL>
I guess that the ".hpkg" in Genio's repo was build on a nightly. And they overlook the version mismatch issue with beta4 :-D
<OscarL>
That's why I do like Begasus does... and stay on beta4 (for all haikuports related work at least).
<erysdren>
bleh
* coolcoder613eb
always uses nightly
<OscarL>
erysdren: for future reference.... you COULD try to "unpack, patch the .PackageInfo file, and repack problematic .hpkg files (assuming they do not ACTUALLY requires a newer version)
<OscarL>
`/bin/package` can be your friend.
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* OscarL
thinks he will propose a `gnuplot-no_qt` .recipe if the one currently on PR gets merged.
<OscarL>
kinda nuts to pull in Qt5 just to plot some graphic to .png :-D
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<OscarL>
Wish Genio's "Convert tab to spaces" settings was per-programming language, and not a global "Editor" setting. Pe has the same problem.
<coolcoder613eb>
Or per-workspace?
<OscarL>
Or... does it saves it for projects?
<OscarL>
coolcoder613eb: in any case... I might have .py and .cpp in the same project/workspace, so...
<OscarL>
Also... having a single "text/x-source-code" mime type ain't helping much :-)
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<botifico-ecd96135>
[haikuports/haikuports] threedeyes a39fe60 - Telegram: bump version
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<cocobean>
OscarL: Depends if apps like that are being serious being used as per the user manual or as a "toy" app for test/demo/etc purposes.
<cocobean>
Can always turn features off in the main usage/build of it.
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<OscarL>
I understand the utility of having gnuplot with a functional GUI. I would rather that be via xlibe, or a native way, but... if we only get it via Qt... that's ok.
<OscarL>
What is not ok is forcing big dependencies on tools that are regularly used on scripts, thus why I think we could have BOTH a version with Qt, and one without it.
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<cocobean>
True. This one was just to prove it can build with Qt5/6, but we don't have to enable the feature by default if overkill -especially if xlibe does the job - per your own PR.
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<OscarL>
There are some problems still with the xlibe version, thus why I kept it as draft. Sadly, I'm too dumb to help debugging/fixing the issue :-D
<cocobean>
;)
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<pinaraf>
hi
<pinaraf>
no stand for haiku at fosdem this year, again? :/
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<OscarL>
weren't last two years just "virtual booth" due to COVID-19?
<OscarL>
That file has lists for Recent Documents, Recent Folders, and Recent apps. Considering that Deskbar's default is only asking 10 of each... letting store it 3000+ seems a bit too much :-D
<Begasus>
BigClock hasn't been on the Desktop here for a while (still on the 32bit), so shouldn't that be cleaned? ;)
<Begasus>
right
<OscarL>
Found this trying to clear Genio's list of recent projects :-D
<Begasus>
maybe something like is used for syslog can be used to clear these things up from time to time?
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<Begasus>
or write a small script to clean all but the last 50 Entries?
<coolcoder613>
Hello andreaa72
<andreaa72>
hello coolcoder613
<Begasus>
Hi matt1 :)
<OscarL>
Easier to put a limit directly on the classes, I think. I'll do it crudely, send a patch for review... and surely korli will scream at me the correct solution! :-D
<andreaa72>
xD hi Begasus , i have two names ...
<andreaa72>
yes, but andrea is real
<Begasus>
Then I have to wait 'till R1B5 for that OscarL :P
<Begasus>
but yes, better fixed upstream
<Begasus>
wanted to have a go a vagrant yesterday, korli mentioned as the person to contact for Haiku :)
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<Begasus>
bah, dooble using qmake as build system ...
<OscarL>
he's everywhere :-P
<Begasus>
yeha! :)
<Begasus>
OscarL, from dooble's .pro file "es/es_ANY \"
<Begasus>
that explains no sublanguages for es
<OscarL>
having a "top level" language code, and no specific ones, is ok. Unlike git, that has "pt_PT" but no "pt", for example.
<OscarL>
the issue is that even if `locale -l` returns plain 'es', dooble still expects: `es_ES`, at least on Haiku.
<Begasus>
it doesn't have nl_BE either :P
<OscarL>
but beyond that... seems that most of the translations files are incomplete, and dooble refuses to use them anyway.
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<Begasus>
little buggers :)
<OscarL>
s/most/many/ (I haven't tested enough to claim that most are incomplete)
<OscarL>
I think that the issue with QLocale::system::name() returning "es_ES" even when the Locale preflet is set to plain "es"...
<OscarL>
will require the help of someone familiar with either Qt (3dEyes), LocaleKit (PulkoMandy), or both :-D
<Begasus>
that's up for higher level peeps :)
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<OscarL>
yeah... I can't even tie my shoes unnatended, so debugging Qt code is out of my league :-D
<OscarL>
*unnatended, *shoe-laces (darn English!)
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<OscarL>
anyways... enough silly me for one day. Read you later Begasus!
<OscarL>
have a good one, folks.
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<PetePete>
Good Sunday morning to all (according to Weather app)
<PetePete>
Why does having a big pretty dog make a guy feel like such a king?
<botifico-ecd96135>
[haikuports/haikuports] kenmays 329fc96 - libvpx: bumped to v1.13.1 (#9938)
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<PetePete>
Begasus I had to go in and change mine for sure. It's so bright haha
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<Begasus>
k, one of the things I stay on the beta, it's not broken :)
<Begasus>
reminds me that I should update my 32bit nightly install for the BSD header
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<shaka444[m]>
I'm getting a "Device/File/Resource busy" error when trying to unmount a USB drive that
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<shaka444[m]>
* <span style='white-space:pre-wrap'>I'm getting a "Device/File/Resource busy" error when trying to unmount a USB drive that I know is not in use.. is there an issue with BFS or the mount server that anyone knows about?</span>
<botifico-ecd96135>
[haikuports/haikuports] kenmays d335035 - gd: bump for rebuild (#9956)
<shaka444[m]>
I'm getting a "Device/File/Resource busy" error when trying to unmount a USB drive that I know is not in use.. is there an issue with BFS or the mount server that anyone knows about that might be causing this?
<botifico-ecd96135>
[haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 1c39675 - eduke32, revbump for libvpx (#9968)
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<Begasus>
about 15 minutes to build the cross-tools for riscv, not bad :)
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<Al2O3>
scanty: howdie, just DL'ed the old favorite of mine, Lance Leventhal book on 6502
<Al2O3>
used to have 100s of books on the 6502 :)
<Al2O3>
literally ever book I ever saw back 20-30 years ago on sale on abe or otherwise about the apple line, or 6502 I bought.
<Al2O3>
" back in the day "
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<PetePete>
Haiku's been fun bu I think it's time to move on. Y'all have somethiing nice here. I'm grateful for it.
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<PetePete>
I'll burn my install to a usb and boot it once in a while for fun
<PetePete>
Does Haiku have a usb tool for isos or should I just use dd?
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<erysdren>
i'd probably just use dd
<erysdren>
what's made you decide to move on?
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<PetePete>
Well, Haiku's a lot fun and very nostalgic but I can't really use it for anyhing practical. I do mostly work on my systems and that requires security. I also really need a modern browser (though I hate FF and Chrome)
<PetePete>
It's not Haiku's fault that the modern web sucks.
<PetePete>
And since I can't contribute (like, I can't fix things on my own such as the weather app) I don't wanna hang around and complain :)
<erysdren>
ah yeah, fair :P
<PetePete>
I think I'll stay in this channel though
<erysdren>
that's why i don't daily drive it yet
<erysdren>
because of the web
<PetePete>
The web sucks. Falkon is a nice browser and so is Otter for that matter
<erysdren>
yeah :/
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<PetePete>
javascript is puke and all the other unnecessary crap that everyone builds the web with
<erysdren>
unfortunately all my friends use Discord, so if i want to continue having a social life i gotta be there
<erysdren>
nobody wanted to follow me to IRC
<PetePete>
GAWD I hate discord
<PetePete>
What a child's program
<erysdren>
aye.
<PetePete>
I used to hang out with the Vector Linux guys
<erysdren>
what's that
<PetePete>
that project was fun. Only Linux distro I ever paid money for
<erysdren>
ahh
<PetePete>
I bought the special edition to support the project (it was dirt cheap at like $25)
<PetePete>
Came with all kinds of extras. VERY nice offer
<PetePete>
It was a very lightweight, Slackware spin
<PetePete>
It had its issues, but you couldn't break it if you tried. I miss that
<erysdren>
you just can't get that with any linux these days
<erysdren>
sadly
<PetePete>
Agreed.
<erysdren>
i can't do much to help haiku, but i port games as best as i can
<erysdren>
FOSS games and open-source 90s shooters etc
<PetePete>
I'm going back to antix for this low end laptop. MX/Antix was the very first Linux I ever used (Mepis at the time)
<erysdren>
for me, the ability to play games will make or break an operating system
<erysdren>
since Haiku isn't very good in that department, i'm trying to push it
<PetePete>
Any chance you could have a look at World of Padman?
<erysdren>
that's that
<erysdren>
what's that?
<PetePete>
Oneof the coolest games you'll ever come across!
<erysdren>
definitely looks like a freeware shooter :P
<PetePete>
Old first person shooter, where you are a tiny "thing"
<erysdren>
do you know what engine it uses?
<PetePete>
I want to say quake but I may be dead wrong
<erysdren>
looks like Quake 3 to me
<PetePete>
lemme check!
<erysdren>
might be dead simple to port in that case
<PetePete>
originally quake III Arena
<erysdren>
it might not run well because of llvmpipe, but it will atleast run
<erysdren>
probably :P
<PetePete>
ioquake3 engine
<PetePete>
I miss that game
<PetePete>
I used to just explore the levels for fun
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<botifico-ecd96135>
[haikuports/haikuports] korli c47ca39 - dooble: set translations path on start up
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* Al2O3
played quake 3 arena and everything prior via their releases to the original doom on NS :)
<Al2O3>
John was, maybe still is, a 'god'
<PetePete>
antix incoming
<Al2O3>
hope it works for you … "antiX is a fast, lightweight and easy-to-install Linux live CD distribution based on Debian's "Stable" branch for x86 compatible systems. antiX offers users the "antiX Magic" in an environment suitable for old computers."
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