<mrentropyvcs>
I used BASIC for so long, I don't think I'll ever forget how to use it. The "classic" ones, at least.
<mrentropyvcs>
GOTOs caused me quite a bit of problems when I was converting some old BASIC games to Python and Yab.
<x512[m]>
"It is practically impossible to teach good programming to students that have had a prior exposure to BASIC: as potential programmers they are mentally mutilated beyond hope of regeneration." Edsger Dijkstra
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<BrunoSpr>
x512[m]... might be true I was thought BasicA at school, and never managed to understand C++ and Python, even if I tried it. JavaScript was ok at last.
<mrentropyvcs>
My first inclination is to say, "Yeah, well Microsoft was built on BASIC, and look at them now." But then I think, "Microsoft was built on BASIC... and look at them now."
<mrentropyvcs>
It's not true. It's down to the individual and their learning process.
<BrunoSpr>
Twitter works fine on Otter Browser too, but crashes if you do not wait until fully loaded...
<mrentropyvcs>
I find Otter to be a bit slow on this computer.
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<BrunoSpr>
Yes you have to be patient, but it works or not?
<mrentropyvcs>
Sure. But in general, it's just a bit slow. Like scrolling through pages and what not.
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<mrentropyvcs>
On this particular computer, anyway.
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<repetitivestrain>
Hello there! Does anyone know if it's possible to show a BWindow without activating it?
<x512[m]>
repetitivestrain: B_AVOID_FOCUS?
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<repetitivestrain>
Hmm, that says "keyboard focus" in the Haiku Book, but thanks
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<repetitivestrain>
I will try that
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<x512[m]>
What do you want to achieve exactly?
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<repetitivestrain>
x512: basically, to make a window visible without it being activated
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<x512[m]>
Do you need ability to have focus and receive keyboard input for that window?
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<repetitivestrain>
x512: nope, it just has to be a tooltip
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<repetitivestrain>
i'm working on a port of GNU Emacs
<repetitivestrain>
emacs x-show-tip demands to have, essentially, a regular window, but undecorated, unfocusable and unable to receive keyboard input
<repetitivestrain>
so i can't use BTooltip
<x512[m]>
Then B_AVOID_FOCUS should be enough.
<repetitivestrain>
Thanks
<jessicah>
heh, basic was my first language :)
<mrentropyvcs>
Which flavor?
<BrunoSpr>
mine was BASICA
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<x512[m]>
Logo and Pascal were my first languages. Hopefully I never dealt with BASIC. I studied C/C++ myself.
<mrentropyvcs>
Canadian BASIC?
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<nephele[x]>
My first language was TI-Basic
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<mrentropyvcs>
Was that on a computer or a calculator? Or both?
<jessicah>
qbasic
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<nephele[x]>
Yes, the calculator is a computer
<mrentropyvcs>
You can still get QBasic for Windows 10. I did not expect that.
<mrentropyvcs>
nephele[x]: Ok. Wasn't sure if it meant something like the TI 994/A or not.
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<nephele[x]>
ti84+
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<beaglejoe>
The IBM pcJr booted tp BASIC
<beaglejoe>
*to
<nephele[x]>
I have one of those :)
<beaglejoe>
I still have one, havent booted it in years
<mrentropyvcs>
Huh. TweetDeck does work, however.
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<mrentropyvcs>
Sort of.
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<mrentropyvcs>
Discord looks a lot better now, in Web+.
<mrentropyvcs>
I should try the game controller and see if I still get those wacky KDLs.
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<camel>
looking for help booting haiku from grub command line. chainloader +1 fails with "error: unrecognjsed payload type" after setting (usb0,msdos1) as root
<camel>
boot wamts a kernel, i cant find a kernel tonspecify
<camel>
letting grub do its thing from externel media results in unalogned pointer error
<Begasus>
that's what it looks like here jadedctrl
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<jadedctrl>
oooh alright, I think I might see the issue
<Begasus>
Happy to annoy you ^^
<jadedctrl>
thanks for bringing it up hahaha
<Begasus>
Someone has to test it out side of you ;)
<Begasus>
PS, this is with the new(er) libpurple version, not sure if that makes a difference (but I doubt it)
<jadedctrl>
Begasus: on that note, could you test tab-completion real quick? :)
<nephele>
Woosh, now i'm hiden, no [x] suffix to reveal my protocol :D
<Begasus>
doesn't seem to do it
<Begasus>
lol nephele :P
<nephele>
hey jadedctrl, how well is xmpp working by now? should one test it? :=)
<jessicah>
dun dun dun, secret spy
<Begasus>
testing IRC atm with it nephele
<jadedctrl>
nephele: it's working pretty well ime, though MUCs could use some stress-testing :)
<Begasus>
I see all conversations in there, just can't seem to send on from there
<Begasus>
on/one*
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<Begasus>
nope, not able to send anything
<jadedctrl>
Begasus_64: just pushed a commit to master that I think should fix the problem
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<jadedctrl>
whoops, wrong Begasus :p
<Begasus>
for 32bit jadedctrl ?
<jadedctrl>
ohh, no― the sending problem
<Begasus>
nah, we are many but one ;)
<Begasus>
k, will check in a bit :)
<jadedctrl>
also 32bit now
<jadedctrl>
thanks :)
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<Begasus>
k, rebuild for 64bit (if I didn't make any mistakes ;) )
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<Haikunaut>
testing
<Begasus>
that worked jadedctrl :)
<Begasus>
dogs time, biab
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<Begasus>
checking build in Terminal on 32bit atm
<Haikunaut>
test2
<nephele>
test two pong
<Begasus>
yep, that works for 64bit jadedctrl
<jadedctrl>
nice :)
<Begasus>
if I want to test it with the recipe on 32bit I need to use a srcGitRev one I think ;)
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<Haikunaut_>
Alive on 32bit also :)
<Begasus>
whoot!
<Not-5726>
[haikuports/haikuports] korli pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-2/±0] https://git.io/JEtE5
<Not-5726>
[haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 46f5589 - libpurple, bump version (#6137)
<Begasus>
I gather korli kept an eye on progress here ;)
<Haikunaut_>
jadedctrl tab-completion works here
<Haikunaut>
jadedctrl and here
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<jadedctrl>
Haikunaut_ Haikunaut yay c:
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<Begasus>
so for IRC things seem to work ok so far :)
<jadedctrl>
speaking of which, maybe keeping the recipe on srcGitRev would be better for now :P
<jadedctrl>
i'll move it over
<Begasus>
yeah, make the suggested changes there so I can check afterwards ;)
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<Begasus>
jadedctrl, in the account window when selecting "Add" there are 2 options for IRC and XMPP ... what is the difference?
<nephele[m]>
irc is not xmpp? :)
<Begasus>
tsss :P
<Begasus>
2x IRC ... 2x XMPP :P
<jadedctrl>
libpurple has its own XMPP and IRC plugins, haha
<nephele>
If you connect to irc via xmpp you have to choose which bouncer you wish to use
<Begasus>
Different icons too
<jadedctrl>
below the separator are libpurple protocols, above the separator native addons
<nephele>
begasus: lol, i thought you ment "2 options for irc and xmpp" as in, one each :)
<Begasus>
ah k thanks jadedctrl :)
<Begasus>
*AND* ;)
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<nephele>
that didn't make it less ambigious
<Begasus>
heh
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<Begasus>
Handshake via SSL failed when I select the libpurple one?
<nephele>
eww SSL
<jadedctrl>
IRC or XMPP? :o
<jadedctrl>
sorry, *OR* :p
<Begasus>
IRC
<nephele>
Can i change ssl strings to TLS in the UI of Haiku? I was really confused when i saw "SSL" in email prefs, I had assumed that it didn't manage to connect because my mailserver does not support SSL, but only TLS, but that wasn't the issue, could have saved me quite a bit of time with the correct label :3
<nephele>
jadedctrl: surely you mean XOR?
<Begasus>
:P
<jadedctrl>
Begasus: did you set the port to 6697? the default is 6667, weird enough
<Begasus>
no change here jadedctrl
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<jadedctrl>
Begasus: weird, liberachat works fine for me with purple-irc
<jadedctrl>
but OFTC only works sometimes? maybe 50% change i'll get that handshake error
<Begasus>
maybe I'm doing something wrong here on my side ;)
<Begasus>
ps, checking changes on the PR :)
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<Begasus>
k, $jobArgs get in the way here jadedctrl :)
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<Haikunaut>
ok, native one seems to be ok on 32bit, no luck (yet) on the libpurple one :)
<jadedctrl>
Begasus: huh, I wonder why $jobArgs makes the difference?
<Begasus>
Probably because it isn't build when something else depends on it?
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<jezek2>
jadedctrl: TLS works in weird ways :D like not working the first them but second time it works, I guess it some kind of fallback, would explain the 50% error rate
<jezek2>
*first time
<jadedctrl>
that would make make sense `o`
<jezek2>
though the handshake error would be problem of missing ciphers or expected extensions by the server
<jezek2>
as a fun fact I was just fixing some of such error in my TLS implementation so I know more than I would want about these problems
<Begasus>
heading down here, cu peeps!
<Begasus>
will check the changes somewhere this week jadedctrl ;) Thanks so far!
<Begasus>
plop
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