<botifico>
[haikuports/haikuports] threedeyes 3cea022 - avidemux: bump version
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<jmairboeck>
I found another HaikuPorter problem with non-standard git configs, this time more serious because it breaks normal usage (without -G). See https://github.com/haikuports/haikuporter/pull/283
<jmairboeck>
Begasus (if you are back already): I also found no problem with tcl on x86_64. Except the tests work even worse than on 32 bit ...
<botifico>
[haikuports/haikuports] jmairboeck 53a5526 - tcl: bump version to 8.6.14 (#10226)
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<jmairboeck>
nice, the official Tk (based on xlibe) does now build in version 8.6.14! The rendering issue is still present though, so it is still not useful. :(
<Begasus>
great jmairboeck! so no need to stick around with the android one anymore?
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<jmairboeck>
unfortunately not. Didn't you read the second sentence? ;)
<jmairboeck>
building it successfully is progress, but most windows are still just gray
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<Begasus>
ah, thought you meant it is the same as with the current Tk version we have
<Begasus>
almost got my hopes up there! :)
<jmairboeck>
sorry to disappoint you
<Begasus>
np ;)
<Begasus>
bugger, akonadi provides the same binaries for KF5/KF6
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<BrunoSpr>
hello everybody
<Begasus>
Hello BrunoSpr
<BrunoSpr>
hello Begasus, nice to see you all!
<phschafft>
x512[m]: did you see my question btw?
<x512[m]>
Which one?
<phschafft>
the question was if there is any documentation on what can be/is commonly stored in the resources part of the ELF.
<phschafft>
coming a bit from nephele's ideas and just wanting to understand things a bit better before we do duplicate work.
<x512[m]>
What is commonly stored in BeOS/Haiku executable resources? Icons, application info, bitmaps etc..
<x512[m]>
Pe store menus and dialogs in resources.
<x512[m]>
It is very similar to Windows resources.
<phschafft>
do you have any links for me?
<phschafft>
basically wondering for example how I would find a icon if I would be looking for it.
<phschafft>
each resource is identified by {type, id}?
<phschafft>
and the name property is just a property of the resource that can also be used to access it but is not unique?
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<yann64[m]>
Hi, are Haiku repositories corrupted? I cannot update/install packages as they all return a different hash than the one listed in the repository :(
<yann64[m]>
Well, python3.10, python3.11, and swig failed with a bad hash, but for some reason koder worked
<Begasus>
no problem with 32bit (pkgman full-sync) here yann64[m]
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<B2IA>
(Butler) Welcome to BeShare.agmsmith.ca.
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<HaikuUser>
hello
<nosycat>
Hi there!
<HaikuUser>
first time haiku but I love it
<nosycat>
Good to hear!
<nosycat>
Where are you running Haiku?
<nosycat>
Just playing with it, or...?
<HaikuUser>
I am using it in VB but I have a spare T430 i can install it and use a s a daily driver
<HaikuUser>
just testing the waters
<nosycat>
Sounds good!
<HaikuUser>
using Linux for years I will just stick to KDE for anything serious
<scanty>
HaikuUser, we have a bunch of Qt apps available
<nosycat>
A lot of it has been ported, yeah.
<Begasus>
and KDE :)
<scanty>
Begasus is our KDE/Qt man
<Begasus>
nah, that's still M3dEyes[m]
<HaikuUser>
is it a mail client?
<scanty>
there are several, but none of the support QAUTH2 (gmail)
<Begasus>
kmail not funtional (yet)
<HaikuUser>
it is still plenty to improve but I like how snappy and fast everything is!
<scanty>
indeed. and we don't have accelerated video yet.
<Begasus>
it is! installed Manjaro last week on the 32bit laptop, no competition for Haiku :)
<HaikuUser>
have an old 1999 thinkpad 240x I was hoping to get haiku on that but it is only 192MB memory
<HaikuUser>
so just below recomemnded
<HaikuUser>
minimum
<scanty>
yes, you will need a bunch more RAM than that.
<HaikuUser>
funny win98 works really nice on that - it has IDE to SD card thingy and is quite fast
<scanty>
win98.... wow that's a long time ago!
<HaikuUser>
If I only could get my hands on that stuff 25 years ago!
<HaikuUser>
yes it was a project
<nosycat>
32-bit Haiku will run fine in 512Mb of RAM, but less than that? It seems unlikely.
<HaikuUser>
with Dlink wifi card it can go and visit internets!
<HaikuUser>
yes i run it few years ago on and only trusty T60p and that was a great experience
<nosycat>
It's a very 1999 configuration however.
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<HaikuUser>
how much ram do i need to go and browse the web - seriously it is rediculous
<nosycat>
Yeah, it is. My EeePC 701 struggles to run WebPositive.
<HaikuUser>
i love how haiku ist packed with any bloatware
<HaikuUser>
i meant isnt
<nosycat>
Right! And you can lighten up a default install even more.
<HaikuUser>
really?
<HaikuUser>
do you have a guide how to do this stuff?
<nosycat>
No, sorry. But you can get rid of the user manual translation that you can't read.
<scanty>
web browsing is still iffy. we have a few browser, but no powerhouse like firefox or google chrome
<nosycat>
And on 32-bit, remove gcc2, unless you're working on the kernel or some such.
<HaikuUser>
it'd be nice to have that option before installation - like windows 3.11/98 you can choose what components youre installing etc
<nosycat>
A lot of things would be nice to have. :(
<HaikuUser>
how can I install something else thatn a default filemanager
<scanty>
i installed win98 on so many machines (at work) many years ago, and i still remember the key
<Begasus>
HaikuUser, there is "HaikuDepot" in applications (menu)
<nosycat>
But unless we can roll up our sleeves, who's going to do it.
<Begasus>
or you can search with pkgman (our packagemanager)
<HaikuUser>
haha oh yes that pain - I recently discovererd a brand new copy of win98 at my house - the previous owner was a retro enthusiast
<nosycat>
This! For example Midnight Commander is there and works.
<HaikuUser>
oh I like MC
<scanty>
did anyone realise that the folders in the Deskbar menu are blue, but brown in Tracker. seems they should be the same colour
* Begasus
has his sleeves pulled up ...
<nosycat>
:)
<nosycat>
So you do.
<Begasus>
read-write/read-only?
<Begasus>
94% tests passed, 3 tests failed out of 49 (not bad for the first run)
<scanty>
Begasus, on which browser?
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<scanty>
hm, quick visit.
<HaikuUser>
hey there are some apps I use on regular basis - audacious, ghostwriter and Kate!
<HaikuUser>
there is DOBOX!
<HaikuUser>
dosbox
<scanty>
i love audacious.
<scanty>
i'm using it now, actually.
<nosycat>
+1 for Ghostwriter.
<HaikuUser>
and LibreOffice?
<HaikuUser>
wow
<nosycat>
Uh-huh!
<scanty>
we have almost all essentials.
<augiedoggie>
scanty:blue folders means it's a query and not a real folder
<scanty>
ah i see.
<augiedoggie>
or virtual folder or something
<HaikuUser>
and Krita!
<scanty>
augiedoggie i had another thought, what about organising the apps in Deskbar into menus, like in haikudepot
<scanty>
if you have a lot of applications, the menu can get qutie large
<nosycat>
That's been discussed a bunch of times.
<scanty>
i see. i think it would be a good move.
<augiedoggie>
i think we've mostly agreed to a few basic subfolders, like a "Games" one, but there are disagreements on how to organize the rest
<HaikuUser>
I think the best way is always to let the user to decide - thats how I love KDE
<augiedoggie>
HaikuUser: you can still customize it however you want, we're mainly talking about the default layout of the apps menu
<scanty>
why not just use the groups as they are in haikudepot
<augiedoggie>
that's one of the options
<HaikuUser>
that is great! I am sorry, I am fairly new here and to Haiku.
<scanty>
well, i hope it can be figured out soon. would be nice for beta5
<augiedoggie>
but there isn't really a way to get the category from haikudepot when building the package, so it would have to be kept in sync if we did it that way
<scanty>
so it's not so cut and dry?
<augiedoggie>
the ports recipe and haikudepot would have duplicate information that could be out of sync
<Begasus>
HaikuUser, you can change your nick here with "/nich <new_cool_nick>" :)
<HaikuUser>
owh cool
<scanty>
i see.
<scanty>
well, it would be nice, if a solution was found.
<nosycat>
And you can set a default nick in Vision.
<Begasus>
maybe some variable like "CATAGORY=*" that could be used by either?
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<scanty>
Begasus, that's what i was thinking.
<Begasus>
better arthurus :)
<arthurus>
much better!
<Begasus>
not familiar how it's done with HaikuDepot, but maybe could be addopted? (if only someone with the skill would set something up, even if it was only for testing)
<Begasus>
My app list is too large for the screen :D
<scanty>
indeed. I don't have the skills to do that.
<Begasus>
ditto
<scanty>
but i think the "category" idea is a good one.
<Begasus>
I think we've had these talks for over 25 years by now :P
<scanty>
has it really been that long?
<nosycat>
Mostly I try to remind people that Haiku exists, and to make sure my own apps build and run on it.
<Begasus>
BeOS was pre 2000 (so almost I would say) :)
<scanty>
true.
<Begasus>
Using Tokodon as a platform to advertise turns out to get some attention out
<scanty>
what Tokodon?
<scanty>
what's*
<Begasus>
mastodon client
<scanty>
what's mastadon?
<Begasus>
sec :)
<scanty>
k
<arthurus>
is there any program like OSB to record the screen in Haiku?
<Begasus>
cool video there, already replied to his toot :)
<Begasus>
I've seen screenshots with more then 24 ;)
<scanty>
wow. 24 is definitely the most i have ever seen.
* scanty
imagines a make -j 24
<nephele>
I use -j12 sometimes
<nephele>
but there are people running haiku on 64core machines too
<Begasus>
heh, my response there too scanty (would love to see it in real action)
<scanty>
hehe
<nosycat>
Nuitka uses as many cores as you give it.
<Begasus>
alias hp="haikuporter -j16 --no-source-packages --get-dependencies"
<Begasus>
;)
<scanty>
you have 8 cores with 2 threads each, right>?
<Begasus>
yeah (afaict) :)
<scanty>
yeah, so you can definitely get away with make -j 16
<Begasus>
I'm rusty when it comes to hw now :)
<scanty>
me too... i used to build my own computers, now i let some company do it for me.
<scanty>
i just don't have the patience anymore.
<Begasus>
same here, only now it's laptops (told the guy when I bought this one, it needed power) :D
<scanty>
i have had this 4 core xeon with 16GB RAM for quite a few years, and have no plans on replacing it any time soon
<Begasus>
could use a pretty descent one for 32bit
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<scanty>
i'm fine on 64-bit.
<scanty>
if i need to build something 32-bit i just do it in a vm
* nephele
only has a "beefy" pc for webkit builds
<nephele>
My main pc is some i3 quad core, and i'm happy with that. it feels like the type of machine haiku runs perfectly on
<arthurus>
I am waiting to get libreoffice installed - but i am still waiting it's been like 20 minutes!
<nephele>
arthurus: to download it?
<arthurus>
no it says installing
<Begasus>
big dependency list ... (mainly because of Qt5)
<nephele>
Hmm, but installing (or mounting) isn't really time consuming. What are you using? pkgman or haikudepot? maybe it's still downloading dependencies
<arthurus>
bottom left corner of the Haiku Depot
<arthurus>
however
<nephele>
Begasus: heh, i wonder if a native port would perform better. Probably a complex thing to build. Maybe there is some BeOS opensourced software we can use to build an office suite
<nephele>
I suppose people already tried asking for GoBe to be open source but did not suceed :g
<arthurus>
how to I switch between apps smoothly? i normally use Alt+Tab but that doesnt work here
<nephele>
currently it's ctrl-tab
<scanty>
would be nice if we could score the sources to gobe productive
<Begasus>
there was Gobe nephele, but not opensourced
<arthurus>
oh it works!
<nosycat>
There should be a way to see detailed progress messages in HaikuDepot. Failing that, try pkgman.
<Begasus>
Alt+Fn switched Workspace/Desktop
<scanty>
another nice app would be to have Mail-It
<arthurus>
failed to install libreOffice but it is okay
<scanty>
beatware Mail-It
<nephele>
well, for mail we actually have a native one integrated
<Begasus>
doubt it would work well these days?
<scanty>
i dont like the built-in mailer.
<scanty>
i need a mail program
<scanty>
hopefully kontact will be ported soon.
<augiedoggie>
none of the native ones can't display html email which makes them unusable for me
<scanty>
same.
<augiedoggie>
s/can't/can/
<scanty>
i have to reboot every time i want to check my mail.
<nephele>
huh, severall articles from 2002 that say gobe was to be released under the gpl
<nephele>
scanty: What's wrong with the current one? is it buggy?
<scanty>
nephele: as augiedoggie said, the native ones we have can't show html. it's a deal breaker
<scanty>
can show*
<scanty>
err, can't*
<scanty>
sorry bad english today
<arthurus>
brb
<nephele>
Well, it can in the sense of opening them in WebPositive. But yes I can understand that. It's something i'm looking into fixing with webkit2
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<nephele>
other than that: pick some saner defaults, have a nicer "autoconfig" dialog. But other than that, is there anything substantially wrong?
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<BrunoSpr>
hello
<HaikuUser>
hello
<scanty>
i tried kmail, but it crashes on my machine.
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<arthurus>
aha
<nosycat>
Hi there!
<arthurus>
it is me, <nosycat>
<Begasus>
dogs ...
<scanty>
cats ...
<scanty>
:^)
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<nosycat>
Meow?
<arthurus>
there was two great videos I watched about haiku recently
<scanty>
=^..^=
<scanty>
it's supposed to be a cat.
<nosycat>
Awww!
<arthurus>
first by actionretro and the otherone - duke lunduke(?)
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<nephele>
duke? It would suprise me if he is still interested in haiku after he started his thread on the forums asking if we conspire against journalists
<arthurus>
ahaha - I didn;t know that. I watched a video some time ago but I do know that he is a nut case - I remeber him being very emotional over some other topic (more political) and he can be quite fragile too
<nosycat>
I don't remember that one, but people come to the forum often enough to post angry rants.
<Begasus>
or post long threads explaining one issue :)
<Begasus>
thanks, hope she is carying pups :)
<scanty>
Begasus, is that one of your dogs?
<nephele>
arthurus: basically the timeline was this, he made some podcasts about haiku, one also had waddlesplash as interviewee. Later he had a forum post where he said he would donate money to haiku from some NFT sales stuff. (which people took objection to obviously), afterwards he wanted to get an interview with another haiku dev but nobody wanted to
<Begasus>
yeah scanty, 4th generation own breeding
<nephele>
so then he asked wether we have a policy to not talk to non-left leaning journalists etc.
<scanty>
Begasus, wow. he/she is beautiful!
<Begasus>
and sweet :D
<nephele>
Answer was no, but he still asumed yes *shrug*
<PulkoMandy>
nephele: There are some other things, if it was just about nft it would be fine, I think. But we don't want to be involved with openly right-wing/libertarian people
<nosycat>
Aren't right-wing people worried about being shunned.
<arthurus>
I am not left or right - I don't even know what I am
<Begasus>
some of them pictured there not around anymore :(
<nephele>
upside down
<Begasus>
neutral arthurus :)
<scanty>
ah
<scanty>
so how many dogs do you have?
<nephele>
PulkoMandy: I agree partially, for me i had not really known about his stuff other than his "linux sucks" talks. But then again it's mostly just developers personal opinions on why they might or might not want to be interviewed by someone. Not some big conspiracy :)
<nephele>
though the NFT stuff pissed me off quite a bit
<scanty>
that's a lot of dogs :^)
<PulkoMandy>
nephele: If it was a conspiracy, we wouldn't tell ;)
<Begasus>
it's fun when the policy is comming over to inspect on them scanty :P
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<scanty>
Begasus, I see. I'm sure you take great care of them.
<Begasus>
we try to scanty :)
<PulkoMandy>
Yes, nft are stupid, but not "people I don't liue should not have the right to exist" level of stupid and dangerous
<scanty>
we? You're married?
<arthurus>
I know: you live in Alaska!
<Begasus>
yep, 4 kids, 4 grandchildren ;)
<scanty>
ah, that's lovely.
<arthurus>
I just got divorced
<Begasus>
sorry to hear arthurus
<arthurus>
it costed me a lot of stress and money
<arthurus>
but I am happy now
<Begasus>
but I guess it can be a relief also :)
<arthurus>
yes absolutely
<scanty>
i doubt i will get married.
<Begasus>
almost 40 years here
<scanty>
wow
<arthurus>
wow
<nephele>
I always view a divorce as something positive, a change away from a relationship that no longer works. It's never what ended it in the first place :)
<scanty>
nephele, some divorces can be really sloppy.
<Begasus>
there is always a reason, and 2 sided I presume :)
<nephele>
I'm worried that a divorce may put too much cost on ending a relationship that doesn't work anymore, so people stay together even if they really shouldn't. and thus end up getting divorced angrily
<scanty>
when my parents divorced, my dad ran away to another country, and didn't pay any child support, etc.
<Begasus>
:/
<arthurus>
it doesn't matter how much your divorce is gonna cost you - in the end you'll be at peace knowing it was worth it
<nephele>
scanty: ouch
<scanty>
i was 14 at the time.
<scanty>
just starting high school
<Begasus>
must have been hard on your mother too scanty
<scanty>
it was hard.
<nephele>
PulkoMandy: yeah. I still don't really know what lunduke said publicly though, and with you talking like that I don't think I'll try to find out :)
<arthurus>
ah that is not fun. sorry to hear that scanty
<scanty>
it was tough for my mom, brother, and i.
<scanty>
but she is a good mother and always supported us
<scanty>
however way she could
<Begasus>
good to hear
<PulkoMandy>
nephele: Yes, he also tends to erase his old texts or make subscriber only things. So that it's not too obvious...
<scanty>
i'm a grown man now, things are different
<PriyanshuGupta[m]>
PulkoMandy: i have ma
<Begasus>
with age comes widsom they say, still trying to find mine :P
<PulkoMandy>
Anyway I don't really want to dig into the details of this
<nephele>
:)
<scanty>
i visit my dad once in a while.
<Begasus>
oh that's cool scanty, got back in touch with him then
<PriyanshuGupta[m]>
hello everyone
<Begasus>
Hi there PriyanshuGupta[m] :)
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<scanty>
Begasus, yeah, i forgave him because that was the best thing to do for me, and my own health
<arthurus>
scanty - if you like i used to have this idea in your head - "I will be better than my father" know that the best way is to not to try too hard
<scanty>
arthurus, indeed
<PriyanshuGupta[m]>
PulkoMandy: I have made changes in the patchset of the XFS project but I can't seem to figure about the CRC validation part
<Begasus>
right scanty, people tend to forget that, but it's not always possible
<PriyanshuGupta[m]>
Do u have any suggestion for thta
<scanty>
it was difficult.
<arthurus>
in case it was easy as my father was a scoundrel - he'd drown kittens and puppies just give him a chance
<Begasus>
jikes
<scanty>
like i said, i had to forgive him for me, so that i could move on.
<Begasus>
good on you!
<PulkoMandy>
PriyanshuGupta[m]: I am travellino today and tomorrow and not in front of a computer. Did you push an update to gerrit? If you have questions you can ask there in the review comments
<arthurus>
thats is an adult thing to do
<Begasus>
closure and move on ...
<nephele>
yes indeed. Holding grudges holds you down, not the person you are holding it against :)
<scanty>
i mean, i still have some resdiual anger towards him, but i think that's to be expected
<arthurus>
absolutely :)
<PulkoMandy>
Hopefully other people can answer there as well and you don't oave to wait for me
<PriyanshuGupta[m]>
I have not pushed it until now
<PriyanshuGupta[m]>
should i push it without the CRC validation part
<PriyanshuGupta[m]>
I have ask about the suggestion in the gerrit comments
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<PriyanshuGupta[m]>
I thought of referencing from the Super Block structure But i think it doesn't have any CRC validation itself
<nephele>
yes, please push it even if unfinished
<PriyanshuGupta[m]>
Should i remove the CRC validation part
<nephele>
Then other devs can look on it and comment, just make sure to open a comment chain on gerrit and ask the question there if you have a specific question, or want to point out what code doesn't work yet
<nephele>
It's probably fine to leave it in so you can ask questions about it
<scanty>
Begasus, still a mystery why Kmail crashes here.
<Begasus>
yeah, sometimes those buggers can be hard to track
<scanty>
indeed
<Begasus>
and probably a missing dependency, just haven't found out which :/
<Begasus>
it still launches here
<PulkoMandy>
PriyanshuGupta[m]: Share what you have, add comrents on the places where you need help. That will be the more efficient way to do things, we can just reply to your questions
<PriyanshuGupta[m]>
okay
<PriyanshuGupta[m]>
i will do that
<PriyanshuGupta[m]>
...
<PriyanshuGupta[m]>
error: cannot pull with rebase: Your index contains uncommitted changes.
<PriyanshuGupta[m]>
error: Please commit or stash them.
<PriyanshuGupta[m]>
can someone help me with rebasing?
<Begasus>
I'm not touching gerrit stuff ;)
<PulkoMandy>
Do what it says, start by makino sure all your changes are in commits and not just in your work area
* nephele
wanted to write "do what it says" but was beaten by pulkomandy
<PriyanshuGupta[m]>
i think i forgot to download the patchset before start working
<scanty>
ok, nap time.
<scanty>
see you guys later :-)
<Begasus>
cya scanty
<scanty>
Begasus, keep up the good work!
<Begasus>
still fun and playtime here, can't wait for qt6webengine to come out :D
<scanty>
me too!
<Begasus>
in the meantime plenty to play with :D
<Begasus>
even got latest Dolphin (24.02.0) up and running
<Begasus>
got hedgewars to build :D
<Begasus>
kudos to Halamix2 for the pointer there!
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<arthurus>
see you scanty
<arthurus>
how did you get Dolphin installed?
* nephele
is a bit baffled why people want to port chromium so badly... or qtwebengine
<arthurus>
oh sorry just checked its in Depot
<Begasus>
another one that visits the forum after some posts on Tokodon I think ;)
<Begasus>
nephele, need it for other things (not only for browsers)
<arthurus>
whats Todokon?
<nephele>
Begasus: huh?
<Begasus>
arthurus, linked earlier to scanty
<Begasus>
nephele, tokodon 24.02.0 needs it for one ...
<PriyanshuGupta[m]>
nephele: Can you review my patch. is it submitted correctly?
<nephele>
PriyanshuGupta[m]: looks like you want to runt he crc on the Class of AgfFreeList. What is the underlying data you want to check?
<nephele>
Krita is okay I guess. Way too slow if you use a drawing tablet and harder to use :)
<nephele>
sizeof() won't really work since this isn't just a struct but also a class you have declared functions in iirc.
<PriyanshuGupta[m]>
Actually during the CRC validation we check whether the underlying data of the given Structure is corrupted or not?
<nephele>
yes
<PriyanshuGupta[m]>
nephele: I'm thinking of implementing the Structure representing the data of AgfFreeList and then i can take it as the data Value in the Class then i think i can put it as an Char array for CRC validation.
<PriyanshuGupta[m]>
any Suggestions?
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<nephele>
That makes sense to me so far. I'm wondering a bit why there are functions on the AgfreeList class right now.
<nephele>
Putting all the data members into a seperate struct would make referencing them together easier indeed
<PriyanshuGupta[m]>
okay
<PriyanshuGupta[m]>
So i think i Should implement them as a Structure
<Begasus>
closing down here, cu peeps!
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<arthurus>
see you Begasus
<PriyanshuGupta[m]>
nephele: What do u think?
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<nephele>
I don't have that much experience in that area, but a struct seems to make the most sense to me
<PriyanshuGupta[m]>
okay let's try and see
<PriyanshuGupta[m]>
Thank you
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<PriyanshuGupta[m]>
PulkoMandy: nephele Thank you for the Suggestions
<PriyanshuGupta[m]>
I have submitted my patch for the review
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<arthurus>
just wanted to say thank you guys for all your help tonight with me discovering the Haiku OS
<arthurus>
good night!
<PriyanshuGupta[m]>
good night
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