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<Halian>
andreasdr[m]: people talking about the development of the Haiku operating system and associated programs, but it looks like you've found us during a quiet period
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<qwebirc17627>
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<Halian>
uh ok
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<scanty>
haha i don't really want to spend my friday night on irc but apparently the devs have other plans.
<scanty>
or they're in the part of the world that is alseep by now.
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<Halian>
scanty: a lot of them are in Europe, so
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<andreasdr[m]>
Hi there Halian. Thank you.
<Halian>
h
<fancy2209[m]>
Very profound words
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<scanty>
so, what's new and exciting?
<zdykstra>
my dog is snoring, but that's not new
<waddlesplash>
zdykstra: lol
<andreasdr[m]>
Who is a brave boy???
<rnelson>
Me. I'm a brave boy.
<waddlesplash>
I like this late night randomness that brings out people who otherwise just lurk :)
<scanty>
some of us do come out at night.
<rnelson>
I almost exclusively un-lurk everywhere solely to be random.
<scanty>
my lady was using Falkon on Haiku the other night, and she didn't even notice it wasn't windows, but she knew how to work the browser tabs and everything. i found it oddly satisfying
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<waddlesplash>
nice
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<waddlesplash>
I haven't really mentioned this on the forums yet (or really anywhere besides developer channels) but a lot of my changes these past weeks around memory management seriously improve things on low-memory conditions
<waddlesplash>
there are still easy ways to hang or hardlock the system, and other long-standing "gotchas", hence why I haven't posted about it
<scanty>
that sounds good. i'm sure AlienSoldier will appreciate that.
<waddlesplash>
yeah, I saw his message the other day
<waddlesplash>
these changes also have a side effect in many cases of reducing memory usage
<scanty>
good work :-)
<waddlesplash>
my x86_64 test build today booted in QEMU with 1GB RAM was only using 140 MB (!?)
<waddlesplash>
this is admittedly the @minimum target so stuff like media_server wasn't running
<waddlesplash>
but that's a huge difference from before
<waddlesplash>
if people managed to get nightlies from a month or two ago to boot with 128MB it will be interesting to see what happens once this work is complete
<scanty>
nice
<AlienSoldier>
i appreciate any optimisation. was looking videos about how they are optimising the new port of GTA3 on dreamcast, facinating stuff saying they still have room for improvement.
<scanty>
dreamcast has about 24MB RAM, iirc
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<scanty>
but the fact that it can read cds is nice.
<AlienSoldier>
if you count VRAM i think, it have less than the NAOMI.
<scanty>
yeah, dc is very underpowered.
<AlienSoldier>
so i think it have 16 of RAM
<scanty>
i think it was about 200MHz
<scanty>
running a hitachi superh
<AlienSoldier>
It was made to be cheap
<scanty>
i only use my dc when i feel the need to play rez
<AlienSoldier>
sega was used to launch previous arcade board to console, so it was old tech at launch. Their competitor developed more cutting edge stuff for console.
<scanty>
yeah, sega could never really get ahead
<AlienSoldier>
scanty aver played the VR version of Rez? (not me yet)
<AlienSoldier>
*ever
<scanty>
no i haven't, but that sounds really cool
<AlienSoldier>
scanty they did in arcade, model 3 was really advanced.
<scanty>
wow cool
<AlienSoldier>
not Rez in arcade, i was meaning the advanced stuff they dis
<AlienSoldier>
*did
<scanty>
i think the 68K is a better cpu than the 65c816, but overall snes was better than genesis imo
<AlienSoldier>
there is a xbox 360 Rez in HD also.
<scanty>
AlienSoldier: ps2 as well, i think
<AlienSoldier>
yes, but the PS2 version is very similar tot he dreamcast one, but it come with the "masturbator" :)
<scanty>
lols
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<AlienSoldier>
scanty right now the genesis homebrew scene kit the SNES one that said. The NES one is catching up.
<AlienSoldier>
*kick
<scanty>
NES scene has been active for many years already
<AlienSoldier>
C64 really slowed down in 2024
<scanty>
PCEngine dev scene is pretty cool
<scanty>
but i will always be partial to NES, for obvious reasons :-)
<AlienSoldier>
I like that the NES adapt game instead of doing straith port.
<scanty>
yeah, they pretty much had to. nes has really limited resources
<scanty>
homebrew hardware for genny is much easier than nes, i think
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<AlienSoldier>
yes it is a simple console and the different plane are very straithforward to work with. It only start to get complicated if you want to use the zilog chip for better music (like ancien Yuzo Koshiro was doing).
<scanty>
right. there is a z80 onboard for sound processing
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<AlienSoldier>
it is part of the mastersystem back compatibility. I wonder if a PS2 Fat could do something similar with the PS1 that is in it :)
<AlienSoldier>
2025 and i STILL!! don't have an NES. Ordered a multicard for my SMS and my Superfamicom that should arrive anyday now.
<scanty>
cool
<AlienSoldier>
i hope the super famicom work, i don't have any card for it and those stay black when powered without a card.
<scanty>
yeah, there's no bios or anything
<AlienSoldier>
Will then get a Svideo cable for it to solve anybitcrawl.
<scanty>
you mean the ntsc dot crawl?
<AlienSoldier>
yes
<scanty>
people actually emulate that.
<AlienSoldier>
i have 2 TV that don't produce any (two Sanyo but i also have a sanyo that do it).
<scanty>
interesting
<AlienSoldier>
dot crawl on red is awfull it make an alternating pattern that i can't stand
<scanty>
i never really noticed it, tbh
<AlienSoldier>
found that Svideo soled that when i started to use my C64 on my big Trinitron 32 inch, as this one have SVideo natively.
<AlienSoldier>
so i bought 2 Svideo switch for 5$ each and use that to standardise the video input.
<scanty>
nice
<AlienSoldier>
Perhaps the NES do it less. The big Zenith 32 inch i got from my aunt (the one that is supposed to give me her NES but it never happen) was not having any dotcrawl on it.
<AlienSoldier>
I am stocked with CRT for life :)
<scanty>
i see, i see.
<scanty>
no crts here
<AlienSoldier>
i don't have any HDTV, just my computer monitor that is a 1080p 27 inch 16-9.
<scanty>
that is nice
<AlienSoldier>
my xbox 360 is conected to it.
<AlienSoldier>
newest system i have.
<scanty>
newest i have is dreamcast
<AlienSoldier>
got a PS2 but it suffer from the biodegradation of the controllers :( Will have to find a good solution for that.
<scanty>
sony cheaps out on shit like that
<AlienSoldier>
I have a wii also. Moded it but i keep that project for later.
<AlienSoldier>
I have a big 16-9 toshiba CRT i was to use the consoles that can do widescreen on it.
<scanty>
i played a few games on wii, not that impressive
<AlienSoldier>
but i need to recap the toshiba first.
<AlienSoldier>
indeed, when i quickly tested it i was enjoyed the Gamecube more on it :)
<scanty>
recommend Panasonic LC series (iirc)
<AlienSoldier>
it still have good game, just nothing technically impressive.
<scanty>
yeah nothing that makes you say "wow how did they do that?"
<AlienSoldier>
Someone in town have a Panasonic to give, but i must slow down on CRT collecting :) I already let go a GAO one time.
<scanty>
GAO?
<AlienSoldier>
scanty the whole moded software it top notch that said, really well done.
<AlienSoldier>
GAO was a panasonic line.
<scanty>
ah
<AlienSoldier>
The Sanyo are pretty much panasonic probably as it is owned by panasonic.
<scanty>
i was suggesting their capacitors, lols
<AlienSoldier>
they all got fancy line, like JVC iArt (i have one of those and they are nice) and the Sony "wega"
<AlienSoldier>
also have one of those
<scanty>
wow you have too many tvs :-)
<AlienSoldier>
ha yes, the panasonic cap, made in japan if possible.
<AlienSoldier>
i know :)
<AlienSoldier>
i even have an officially branded original XBox 27 inch RCA thompson one :)
<AlienSoldier>
I have the GameSack 20 inch toshiba TV also :)
<scanty>
i had an rca tv many years ago in my bedroom, it was a decent tv
<AlienSoldier>
and still my youth 1970 hitachy one.
<scanty>
do you have any furniture, or just tvs?
<AlienSoldier>
and a 20 inch B&W one
<AlienSoldier>
humm, that would be a solution, junking the furniture to make more room for tvs :)
<scanty>
lols
<AlienSoldier>
And i have a c64 and an amiga monitor.
<scanty>
cool
<AlienSoldier>
the c64 monitor stack well
<AlienSoldier>
I have some inmy barn and some in the garage.
<AlienSoldier>
I want to use 2 for a mame cabinet eventually.
<scanty>
make a tv museum out of your barn, and charge people to come and see your ancient tvs
<scanty>
mame cab would be really nice.
<AlienSoldier>
i don't have many "old" one, they are early 2000
<scanty>
yeah, that's 25 years ago.
<AlienSoldier>
wait i will try to get you the video with the guy that have too much shit i saw yesterday...
<nekobot>
[haiku/haiku] 0fcac3a41156 - Update translations from Pootle
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* OscarL
reads the logs and imagines "un-lurkers" as IRC's undead/zombies... and goes fetch the shotgun, just in case.
<Begasus>
hiho OscarL!
<Begasus>
Happy New Year :)
<OscarL>
Hello Begasus! Happy new year to you too! Hope you had some nice time with loved ones!
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<Begasus>
calm at home as usual, thanks
<Begasus>
hope you are fine there, been mia again :)
<gordonjcp>
Begasus: hello :-)
<Begasus>
Hi gordonjcp, a Happy New Year there too :)
<OscarL>
Begasus: had some small external troubles in late december that throwed me off-balance, but thanksfully all resolved now. Needed a bit of "vacations" after that, though :-D
<Begasus>
OscarL, can't always be sunny :) glad to see you're back in the sadle
<OscarL>
+2 :-)
<Begasus>
heck, I think in the UK they even had more sunshine then we did last year :)
<OscarL>
Oh, we're having a "mild" summer here (several overcast days), and I'm really thankful for that :-)
<OscarL>
I was born in a city with about as much sunshine as London, for what I've read, so... /me craves dark-gray skies.
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<Begasus>
visited Londen once ... over 40 years ago, man ...
<OscarL>
that bad, hmm?
<Begasus>
no, reminds me of my age :P
<OscarL>
yeah... that too.
<OscarL>
I'm about to turn 48 next month. Next eye-blink and I'll be on my 70s, judging for how time feels lately :-)
<Yoke>
Morning, Hope you're all doing well
<OscarL>
Hi there Yoke.
<Begasus>
morning Yoke
<Begasus>
time only moves faster when aging OscarL
<Begasus>
I can already see my 70s in the distance (I hope) :)
<Yoke>
Heya guys, Hope you're having a good day so far
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<Begasus>
I could complain, but it doesn't help me, so.. good so far :D
<OscarL>
Yoke: my usual mood/response is. "Thanks! Could be worse, I guess". I'm quite the "optimist", as you can see :-P
<Yoke>
OscarL: "Yes, I know Him, He's Me" very much in the same boat as you there
<OscarL>
:-)
<Yoke>
things can allways be worse, Just gotta be happy that they aren't I suppose
<Begasus>
could be better too, I wouldn't mind some mid summer here now :)
<Yoke>
I quite like the cold, saying that I haven't seen anything into the negatives for a few years (talking celcius *c)
<Begasus>
with aging I guess it changes Yoke :)
<Yoke>
Maybe so, we all have our own preferences
<Begasus>
moving to Canada was once something that came into our mind
<Begasus>
it's changed into something more in the south :D
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<Begasus>
k, 32bit setup for haikuporter (bare metal) :)
<Begasus>
tiff build fine
<Begasus>
ah OscarL!
<Begasus>
saw the PR for haikuporter about the meson builds?
<OscarL>
the ones about missing quotes and [ vs [[?
<Begasus>
no the missing " , the ] came later :)
<Begasus>
well, that PR yes
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<OscarL>
I always forget the details about such subtleties... I kinda try to "just use [[ and double quotes to avoid most issues, until someone that knows better complains about it", but sometimes I forget to do so :-)
<Begasus>
biab
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<OscarL>
Begasus: Apparently, using [[ makes quoting variables is less crucial (as [[ doesn't do word-splitting or glob expansion, as [ does). Also. [[ does pattern matching with ==, and regex matching with =~. Will have to remember that one.
<Begasus>
hi jmairboeck
<Begasus>
OscarL, looking at the cmake part it's equel there
<jmairboeck>
hi Begasus, OscarL!
<Begasus>
so in the second statement it's only 1 []
<OscarL>
'lo jmairboeck! HNY!
<jmairboeck>
HNY
<Begasus>
Happy New York!
<Begasus>
;)
<Begasus>
will merge that one, it's consistent as in the other parts
<OscarL>
should prolly move to use [[ everywhere in the future, even if just for consistency (and less qouting)
<Begasus[m]>
I'll leave that to the next one OscarL :) main issue for me is having meson behave
<OscarL>
jmairboeck: LGTM.
<jmairboeck>
thanks OscarL :)
<OscarL>
uninstall scripts might be a diffent can of worms, but unrelated to said PR :-)
<jmairboeck>
now I just need to know if it sufficient to just merge that or if there is some deployment update needed so that the builders can use it
<OscarL>
btw, Begasus[m]... saw you incremented the revision for a recipe with changes only on TESTS(). Shouldn't we avoid touching REVISION in those cases?
<Begasus[m]>
on the a2ps OscarL?
<OscarL>
Begasus[m]: yep, that one.
<OscarL>
no biggie there...
<jmairboeck>
I think that was left over, the PR had changes in BUILD also before
<Begasus[m]>
intended to use this also in BUILD(), but as jmairboeck pointed out that wasn't needed
<Begasus[m]>
right, forgot to reset the REVISION after that :)
<Begasus[m]>
see ... I'm human afterall! :P
<OscarL>
jmairboeck: will probably need to request an update to the builders to pick up those changes before you use them on .recipes.
<jmairboeck>
Begasus[m]: Haiku builds use their own copies of build packages which need to updated explicitly, so as long as there is no SO version change, it should be fine I guess
<OscarL>
was about to type the same.
<OscarL>
and tiff might break only a datatranslator and not much more in any case :-P
<Begasus[m]>
SONAME didn't change, still 6
<Begasus[m]>
out of practice on building Haiku
<jmairboeck>
OscarL: regarding the deployment: I think this only affects buildmaster itself. The actual packages are built by some machines mmlr is hosting. I'm not sure what haikuporter setup they use. We need an admin answer that question I think :)
<OscarL>
they definitively do not pickup changes merged onto git master by themselves. But yeah... better poke KadenFrisk[m] about it.
<OscarL>
sorry, wrong K-tab... meant kallisti5[m]
<jmairboeck>
Is it okay to use cmd:git in TEST_REQUIRES and git submodule update in TEST()? Or should I use SOURCE_URI_2 and cp? Asking for the test-data of https://github.com/hatukanezumi/sombok
<Begasus>
SOURCE_URI_2 , using git submodules isn't really wanted
<jmairboeck>
it would be just for the tests, and given we don't have TEST_SOURCE_URI etc. it would download the test data unneccessarily for the normal build
<jmairboeck>
although the tests then wouldn't work when using hp -G
<jmairboeck>
not sure if that would be a problem
<Begasus>
I think there are already that work like this
<Begasus>
what about when the submodule changes commit between 2 build?
<Begasus>
and you can't perform a checksum on those
<Begasus>
reading the forum seccurity is a thing these days :P
<jmairboeck>
ah, yes, .gitmodules doesn't pin a revision, so I'll keep SOURCE_URI_2 then.
<Begasus>
+
<Begasus>
+1
<Begasus>
stupid numlock :)
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<Begasus>
hmm on 32bit the TIFF translator still uses old version
<Begasus>
so updating the new one wont interfere there
<Begasus>
jikes 3 tiff versions installed?
<Begasus>
keep forgetting to suffix the hp cmd's on 32bit :P
<OscarL>
there's a reason why I wanted both hp and pkgman to do that automatically (if recipe is !x86_gcc2) :-)
<Begasus>
[1161/1417] ..
<Begasus>
should pay better attention OscarL, don't want to get too lazy :P
<Begasus>
looks like libgeotiff is the only one requesting tiff4 atm
<Begasus>
biab
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<Begasus>
re
<jmairboeck>
Unicode::LineBreak builds fine with libsombok and libthai :)
<jmairboeck>
and I could avoid moving packages out of .obsolete because I didn't run haikuporter between rebasing the branches :) (I used the 32 bit VM for the 2 new recipes)
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<Begasus>
nice :)
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<Begasus>
wb OscarL :)
<OscarL>
Thanks :-)
<jmairboeck>
if a perl module can be built with either MakeMaker (i.e. cmd:make) or Module::Build, which one would you prefer? Parse::RecDescent supports both: https://metacpan.org/pod/Parse::RecDescent
<Begasus>
you're the Perl master jmairboeck :)
<Begasus>
so I guess what works the best for you
<jmairboeck>
I think I prefer Module::Build slightly because it creates a way simpler build script (all the complexity is in Module::Build itself) and it doesn't require another external command besides perl itself
<Begasus>
+1 from me then
<jmairboeck>
although you have to specify "--installdirs=vendor" manually in the recipe. I guess I should patch Module::Build some time so that it honours the HAIKU_USE_VENDOR_DIRECTORIES environment variable.
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<Begasus>
think I need to have a reboot on this one ... been busy from yesterday :)
<OscarL>
Mmm, not too productive today. I better try to do something else, and come back another day. See you around folks. Always nice to have you around!
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<san2ban>
I am waiting for webkit update, so that webpositive can be used...any idea when it will be uploaded?
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<PulkoMandy>
I don't manage to build it for gcc2, not enough memory
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<scanty>
janking: nice screenshot. i see you are using BeAIM, which means the screenshot it quite old, but looks good!
<scanty>
also good morning all.
<nipos>
Old?Uhm,the latest BeAIM version was released just two weeks ago ;)
<janking>
no its not old BeAIM is still going strong
<janking>
i uploads that to day
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<scanty>
Begasus, Begasus[m], are you here now?
<scanty>
interesting, i thought AIM died.
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<scanty>
can't get on it with adium(sp?) or whatever it's called.
<nipos>
AOL discontinued their server,but the protocol is well-documented and there are community servers like https://phoenixim.ddns.net now
<scanty>
ah, i see.
<scanty>
no need for me to have it then.
<janking>
there is a version of BeAIM HaikuDepot
<scanty>
yes, i would imagine. but nobody i know uses AIM anymore
<janking>
i do :)
<scanty>
whatever works for you :-)
<janking>
ok
<scanty>
but, yeah, cool screenshot
<nipos>
janking: In which repo did you find BeAIM?
<janking>
HaikuDepot
<janking>
thanks scanty
<scanty>
reminds me a little of macos
<janking>
:)
<scanty>
seeing the apple logo cemented that idea.
<nipos>
The HaikuDepot application shows all installed applications,also those which don't belong to a repository.Sure you didn't install the HPKG from Codeberg?
<nipos>
(this matters because other people won't see it in HaikuDepot unless installed, and you won't get automatic updates)
<janking>
wait i shall check
<Begasus>
scanty, I am :)
<janking>
no version 1.6.0-1
<scanty>
Begasus: Konversation works great! There is definitely a bug in Vision
<nipos>
1.6.0 is outdated,there's 1.6.1 now,released on December 22
<Begasus>
thanks for the notice scanty! much appreciated
<Begasus>
now file a bug report for Vision :)
<scanty>
thanks for compiling it and making it available
<scanty>
where can i file a bug report for vision?
<Begasus>
np, it was there already, just for the older KDE frameworks :)
<OscarL>
Thanks again Begasus. Guess I find it hard to stay away :-D
<scanty>
sorry never really reported a bug before
<scanty>
hi OscarL
<Begasus>
if there is none describing your problem, then yes scanty
<OscarL>
Hello there scanty!
<scanty>
ok, I will check out the issues and see if there's a duplicate, or else i'll start a new one
<Begasus>
+1
<scanty>
How are you feeling, OscarL?
<Begasus>
food in a bit here :)
<scanty>
mmm
<scanty>
what are you having?
<OscarL>
I've seen Vision "saying nothing", and being really disconnected from the IRC server. Not sure if that already has a ticket assigned or not.
<scanty>
there's 18 open issues.
<scanty>
there is one close to mine, but not quite
<scanty>
so i guess i will file a new one.
<OscarL>
scanty: thanks for always asking, pal. Much appreciated. Not a bad day today (other than not being able to do anything productive :-D). Wishing the best on your side, Eli..
<scanty>
Thanks Oscar, that means a lot :-)
<OscarL>
what ever it might worth. I do appreciate you a lot.
<scanty>
:-). You as well, my friend.
<scanty>
always nice chatting with you on IRC
<OscarL>
Same here, friend!
<OscarL>
Attempting to bake some small pizzas, so my day might get just awesome in the end. (if I don't bork the cooking :-D)
<scanty>
have to remember my git hub infos
<OscarL>
scanty: been meaning to ask you... does soundcloud only counts "full-play-length" as play-counts? because that might explain why you still have such a slow play count on tracks that I have playing way too many times already :-D
<scanty>
i have no idea what sound clode does with partial plays
<OscarL>
Seems to me that it just ignores it :-(
<scanty>
cloud*
<OscarL>
in any case... thanks for making your work accesible!
<scanty>
:-) been meaning to get back on the turntables for a while.
<OscarL>
(and kinda hoping for a new track to drop someday)
<OscarL>
+10
<scanty>
it will happen. i actually need a new pair of headpones, so my hands are tied with DJing for now.
<scanty>
next paycheck will go partially towards new headphones
<scanty>
going for a smoke, brn
<scanty>
brb*
<OscarL>
I can't play the triangle even if to save my life. But I do seem to have a good ear (so far). There are some *really* cheap Panasonic headsets that are WAY better than far expensive ones.
<OscarL>
(have a brother that's guitar player... he says I have better ear than his... but that I'm also a way too harsh critic :-D)
<OscarL>
not easy being the brother of a dumbass like me :-(
<janking>
where can i share my zip and hpkg files?
<scanty>
i like panasonic/technics quite a lot, but i don't think they make DJ headphones
<scanty>
This branch is 67 commits ahead of, 7 commits behind eteran/pretendo:master
<scanty>
that's what happens when your buddy goes to greece with his wife for over a month
<janking>
i now i can do itt on Telegram.
<scanty>
we are going to merge branches when i fix the sound and do some graphics maintenance
<scanty>
right now the haiku branch is separate from the rest of the emulator.
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<scanty>
oh, right i was going to report that vision bug.
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<OscarL>
janking: any webhost should work. If the content of your files is open source... maybe try setting up a repo (or several repositories) over codeberig.org?
<OscarL>
*codeberg.org
<OscarL>
(or over github.com, I guess, if you don't care about it being owned by Microsoft)
<janking>
ok thanks OscarL
<scanty>
well, i just filed my first bug report with vision.
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<OscarL>
scanty: doubt my "good ears" could find the difference worthy (in price) between hi-end stuff and good low-end :-D. Just happy with my crappy Panasonic HT-20 / HT-21, that over the years have put to shame some way, *way* more expensive equipement :-D
<OscarL>
(used them to do audiometry testing while on University)
<scanty>
nothing wrong with panasonic.
<scanty>
they make really good stuff.
<scanty>
like their technics line
<OscarL>
flattest curve of all the cheep stuff we tested back then (ends of 19999/2000)
<OscarL>
-9
<scanty>
yeah, you definitely want a flat curve, wtih the curvy part being -3db
<scanty>
but i could be wrong, i don't remeber a lot from school
<scanty>
also, you want something with as low impedance as possible.
<OscarL>
Funny thing... folks gonig to clubs always told us "metal-heads" that we were "deaf"... turns out audiometries revealed the exact opposite.
<scanty>
i've been to a lot of clubs before, because i used to work in a record store, and i got to go for fre.e
<scanty>
free*.
<scanty>
fun times
<OscarL>
seemed like every-weekend club-life kills your ears more than "once in a while heavy metal concert life" :-D
<scanty>
yeah, i was going pretty much every week to see a different DJ
<scanty>
i've been to all the big clubs here in NY
<scanty>
many of them have closed, for whatever reason
<Begasus>
re
<scanty>
wb
<Begasus[m]>
thanks on the report scanty!
<scanty>
Begasus[m]: sure thing :-)
<scanty>
seems my turntables went up in price by at least 100%. I was at a big record store in Cali, and they were 1200 for *one*
<scanty>
I found a good deal many years ago, and got both for around $800
<Begasus[m]>
only passed the path where the fonts.conf file can be found, guess it should be good
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<scanty>
bbiaf
<Begasus[m]>
f?
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<OscarL>
furlong?
<Begasus>
fietsen? (biking)
<OscarL>
these americans will do anything but use the metric system, you know... :-P
<Begasus>
heh
* OscarL
should have used "americans".
<OscarL>
Because some of use living in the rest of América... have a problem with that :-D
<OscarL>
pizza dought grow too big... be back soon.
<Begasus>
know the feeling :D
<Begasus>
enjoy :)
<phschafft>
with the most fun part being that the USA is legally metric for... many years now.
<phschafft>
that is why they redefined the units so they now also differ from the original ones.
<phschafft>
units 'USinch/UKinch'
<phschafft>
Definition: 1.0000037
<phschafft>
just if you wonder why the rocket missed the moon. ;)
<scanty>
Begasus: 'f' means "few"
<Begasus>
ah! :)
<scanty>
i thought that was a known thing.
<Begasus>
rocket/moon? did I miss something? :P
<Begasus>
first time I've seen it scanty :)
* scanty
wonders similarly
<scanty>
Begasus: first time for everything. weren't you glad it was me? ^_^
<scanty>
hm. -1C
<scanty>
very cold today, windy too
<OscarL>
scanty: sc jumped from your oldest (2008) track to the one from 10 years ago (second newest).
<scanty>
ah... yeah, it's been a long time.
<scanty>
i'm definitely going to have a mix ready for spring time this year.
<OscarL>
awesome!
<scanty>
i'm glad you are enjoying them.
<scanty>
they're not the best, but they are mostly good.
<Begasus>
heh
<scanty>
and i have plenty of records to make sure it's all new stuff :-)
<Begasus>
scanty, about the same temp here
<scanty>
(well new for you)
<scanty>
Begasus: you are in Belgium, correct?
<Begasus>
yes
<scanty>
maybe one day on my way to elsewhere, i can stop by and have a beer with you. you just seem like the kind of guy i want to have a couple of beers with.
<OscarL>
scanty: I do enjoy them, scanty. Otherwhise I would not keep them playing. Thanks again for making them available. And really loocking forward to what you can do in later years!
<Begasus>
bugger, stopped alcohol almost 2 years ago ;)
<scanty>
thanks OscarL, I really appreciate the positive feedback.
<scanty>
Begasus: well, i'll have the beers then, and you can have something else.
<OscarL>
As far as I can see it, scanty... you deserve the best.
<scanty>
OscarL: thank you, so much. it really means a lot to me.
<scanty>
and if i ever find my self in argentina, i will find you!
<OscarL>
Would be nice, no?
<OscarL>
:-)
<scanty>
absolutely :-)
<Begasus>
coffee would be fine :D
* janking
is idle: BRB
<scanty>
it would also be cool if we had a "BeGeisert" thing, but for Haiku. I think there would be a good turn out if we can find a central location
<Begasus>
oh, and cookies :)
<scanty>
mmm what kind of cookies
<Begasus>
ah, the good old days (BG) :)
<Begasus>
crunchy chocolate ones :)
<scanty>
hah, at least someone remembers. sounds tasty
<Begasus>
with cola-coder :)
<scanty>
ah, cola-coder!
<scanty>
wow that is a long time ago, Begasus
<Begasus>
and all the rest, stippi when he was a lot younger (well we all were) :d
<scanty>
i know. BeOS 5 was 25 years ago, or so.
<Begasus>
over 20 years ago I think scanty
<Begasus>
yeah, still wear my BeOS polo shirt with pride :D
<scanty>
i waited as long as i could, and eventually had to move to linux or freebsd. i used to have a Be t-shirt but it too, was 25 years old.
<OscarL>
Begasus: I have the feeling that AxelD and Stippi are at least a couple of years younger than I.... but just way, way smarter :-D
<Begasus>
PE opened my eyes after strugling with linux :D
<Begasus>
lol OscarL
<Begasus>
can't have it all, maybe you got the looks :P
<scanty>
i'm itching to travel. maybe i'll go on a haiku global tour.
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<scanty>
my dream is to tour the world DJing
<Begasus>
we could do a puppy visit trip, takes us to places also :D
<scanty>
oh cool
<scanty>
would love to see the doggies, and take one home
<Begasus>
heh
<Begasus>
not that easy :P
<scanty>
but i have a special-needs kittyh
<scanty>
kitty*
<scanty>
plus, i think your dogs are really big, iirc
<OscarL>
Begasus: "maybe you got the looks"... I think I just got the bad temper :-D
<Begasus>
2 or 4 legged one? ;)
<Begasus>
heh
<scanty>
no she has four legs.
<Begasus>
not that big scanty, males up to 60cm, middle hight for a dog
<Begasus>
;)
<scanty>
ah, okay. about two foot high.
<Begasus>
how high is that?
<Begasus>
isn't that something like 50cm?
<OscarL>
60
<Begasus[m]>
ah :)
<scanty>
60cm / 2.54cm/in = 24ish
<Begasus>
only flucked at one class at school, guess which :)
<OscarL>
scanty: I really can't offer much, but if you do ever come even close to Catamarca, Argentina.... you got yourself a place to stay and eat.
<Begasus>
fluckend(?)
<Begasus>
well had to do the exams again :P
<OscarL>
(just try to avoid summertime, not for the faint of heart down here)
<Anarchos>
OscarL why ? is it so hot ?
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<scanty>
OscarL: what a nice invitation. when i get to argentina someday i will take you up on it :-)
<scanty>
Begasus: "flunked"
<Begasus>
seeing you got some nice temp there it would be perfect to skip the winter here :D
<Begasus>
getting typo's this late :)
<scanty>
OscarL: i heard there are very good steaks in Argentina
<OscarL>
Anarchos: right now... not so much, but this seems to be a really atypical summer.
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<scanty>
Begasus: i too would love to skip winter
<Begasus>
snakes too? rrr
<OscarL>
scanty: our worst meat is just heaven elsewhere. I can attest to that.
<scanty>
mmm, then we will have steaks!
<dovsienko>
OscarL: I've finally got my VirtualBox video right thanks to your guide
<OscarL>
dovsienko: so happy it was worth anything! thanks for the feedback!
<OscarL>
Anarchos: last "summer"... started in first of October, lasted till ends of March :-(
<OscarL>
This year has been far more pleasent.
<scanty>
ah, that's right, you're below the equator
<Anarchos>
OscarL isn't summer suppose to begin in june ?
<OscarL>
Anarchos: maybe on your "side" :-D
<Begasus>
rofl
<Anarchos>
OscarL nah, there is no such thing as a 'side' cause earth is flat, everybody know that :)
<OscarL>
"Official" summer here begings on 21 Dec.
<OscarL>
:-S
<scanty>
note my note earlier about the equator.
<Anarchos>
scanty i was joking ;)
<scanty>
ah okay.
<scanty>
sometimes it's hard to tell.
<scanty>
nothing personal
<Begasus>
with flat there is still above and below? :P
<dovsienko>
arguably, a flat shape has more pronounced sides than a round one
<scanty>
what sides? a round spherical object has no sides, but infinite orientation.
<dovsienko>
also arguably, people that claim Earth is flat should not use GPS or the Internet or airplanes or ships or roads because all of that has been engineered around the geoid shape and thus isn't real
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<Anarchos>
dovsienko i can't understand the linkd between geoid and internet ?
<dovsienko>
satellite TV and weather forecasts would also be a no-no
<scanty>
bbiaf again, sorry
<B2IA>
(AGMS) Hmmm, looks like beshare.tycomsystems.com
<B2IA>
(AGMS) Hmmm, looks like beshare.tycomsystems.com BeShare server has been off for a week or more, didn't make it to the new year :-(
<dovsienko>
Anarchos: Internet cables go around the globe, and latencies between many termination points are measurable, and can be used to prove that the surface isn't flat
<OscarL>
never had a "plainer" pizza (not even olives on top :-(), yet... it tastes awesome! Wish I could share a piece with everyone here!
<jmairboeck>
so that can easily (and should) require cmd:gcc$secondaryArchSuffix
<phschafft>
we have had a lot of clients who in turn had a lot of their clients being mobile.
<OscarL>
Being the "python guy" will never be not funny, when I'm just the most loud amount its potential users :-D
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<phschafft>
once your peer is moving stuff becomes real interesting.
<jmairboeck>
OscarL: I'm now apparently the "perl guy", although that's a bit more niche I guess ...
<OscarL>
jmairboeck: exactly.
<Begasus>
yep, just like OscarL is our python guy :P
<phschafft>
jmairboeck: hm?
<Begasus>
nielx - rust
* scanty
returns
<Begasus>
I'm just here to brake things :D
<OscarL>
Begasus: the rest of stuff
<Begasus>
wb scanty
<scanty>
ty'
<scanty>
damn, 1 smoke left, and it is way too cold to walk to the store.
<Begasus>
always keep some spare around scanty :)
<scanty>
yeah good idea
<scanty>
how much does a pack cost there?
<OscarL>
scanty: newest tracks are a clear improvemt over the older ones, and that's just awesome. (listening to "groovy broken crossfader" now).
<Begasus>
depends, the ones I smoke close to €14
<scanty>
OscarL: cool! enjoy. that was a fun one i remember
<scanty>
Begasus: ah, here they are about $17
<scanty>
so similar
<Begasus>
guess so yes, some brands cost more here too
<scanty>
what brand do you prefer? i like parliament lights
<OscarL>
not my first listen of this track, just wanted to point out the nice progression, scanty!
<Begasus>
never heard of those, I have Bastos :)
<scanty>
i guess they're a us brand, can probably find them in duty-free at the airport. Bastos.... sounds like Bastards.
* phschafft
doesn't feel welcome by this discussion so leaves the channel for a bit.
<scanty>
phschafft: anyone is welcome to join any discussion they wish, or start one. it's not a dicatorship here.
* Begasus
picks up some Belgian chocolate for phschafft, stay and sit :)
<scanty>
OscarL: thanks! that one came out pretty good. i think i only made one or two mistakes that the casual listener probably wouldn't pick up on.
<OscarL>
phschafft: feels like a weird message from your part. what do yo expect from the channel?
<scanty>
Begasus: On my way elsewhere, many many years ago, we had a stopover in brussels and they gave us all kinds of chocolates to eat at the airport
<OscarL>
heck... I'm as random as it gets.
<scanty>
sometimes we just take it lightly and talk shop about random things.
<Begasus>
specialy at this time of day :)
<Begasus>
mostly I've closed down already
<scanty>
indeed
<scanty>
Begasus: what time is it?
<Begasus>
8:30 PM
<OscarL>
maybe I'm reading too much in to it, and he's just saying his interest do not aling with current "topic"? Expecting anything == dissapointment.
<Begasus>
or smokes? :)
<scanty>
Begasus: thx.
<scanty>
we talked about smokes for about 2 minutes
<Begasus>
heh
<scanty>
i'm just saying that the chat doesn't have to be about programming or haiku, etc all the time
<OscarL>
I *almost* miss smoking...
<OscarL>
minus the part that makes me not being able to breath anymore :-D
<Begasus>
the build I'm running will last some time, probably wont sit it out at the laptop
<scanty>
i'm still considering switching to nightly, but at the same time i have a 3wk uptime with beta5
<Begasus>
pretty stable :)
<scanty>
yeah, it's been rock solid, hopefully i didn't jinx myself there.
<Begasus>
with all the building here I need to reboot at some point
<scanty>
of course
<Begasus>
for every package I build I install that several times also, so my states are going through the roof at times :P
<scanty>
yeah, that's a lot of states to keep track of"
<Begasus>
last cleaning free'd up about 9GiB :)
<scanty>
wow
<scanty>
i have 16GB, about 12GB is free right now.
<scanty>
which isn't too bad
<OscarL>
My biggest install is 20 GB, and that's being faced out for a couple of 5 GB (32/64 bits beta5... then 2 32/64 bits nightlies.)
<OscarL>
Having just one "Data1" partition for all the repos has been great so far.
<Begasus>
VM 40GB, half full (or empty) atm
<scanty>
wow
<scanty>
how much ram do you have total?
<Begasus>
data drive 100, same thing :)
<scanty>
ah
<Begasus>
16GiB in total, 8 for the VM
<dovsienko>
OscarL: now I am running the Haiku VM full screen at the monitor's resolution for the first time in who knows how long time
<Begasus>
nice, build already finished :)
<jmairboeck>
Begasus: what were you building?
<dovsienko>
which reminds me, does anyone one know why the filesystem usage grows with time? is it because of the system state snapshots?
<Begasus>
not something for the public I guess jmairboeck :) Qt6 6.8.1
<scanty>
Begasus: 16GB here too, it's plenty.
<Begasus>
just finished last one
<jmairboeck>
ah, ok
<Begasus>
it rocks on bare metal scanty! :D
<scanty>
sure does!
<Begasus>
Ryzen7, 8 cores, 16 threads
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<OscarL>
dovsienko: nice to read about the proper graphics resolution!. Regarding disk space... be sure to run checkfs /boot/ from time to time, and delete old states you don't need from "/system/packages/admin*/{states-*.",transac*}". Can't think of anything else eating disk space.
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<dovsienko>
OscarL: 10.8GB in /system/packages/administrative, the states are from almost a year ago, that explains it
<OscarL>
ouch :-)
<scanty>
Begasus: wow nice.
<scanty>
so you can pull of make -j 16 that must be nice
<Begasus>
at least I didn't brake it yet :D * Qt6WidgetsTools (required version >= 6.8.1)
<Begasus>
on bare metal yes scanty
<scanty>
right, obviously not in a vm
<Begasus>
if I use -j8 here in the VM it's slow, reducing it to -j5 works better for me
<OscarL>
on vm too!
<OscarL>
I give my VMs the same number of cores I have :-D
<scanty>
i have four cores so i usually just make -j4
<scanty>
hmmm i feel like eating pizza.
* scanty
wishes he could download one.
<scanty>
someday...
<Begasus>
checking a build for kwrite atm with the new qt
<Begasus>
not in our time scanty :P
<OscarL>
even my crappy Phenom II X4 can do 4x VMs.
<scanty>
yeah
<OscarL>
scanty: too bad I can't send you one :-(, they are realy good today!
<scanty>
that would be nice :-)
<Begasus>
had pasta today, I'm good :)
<scanty>
i haven't eaten yet today
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<scanty>
i usually don't eat a lot, but sometimes my medication makes me hungry, or it will make me not hungry. it's strange
<OscarL>
Had a bottle of wine named "Sin" ("Pecado" in Castilian/Spanish). Feels... fitting :-D
<Begasus>
heh
<scanty>
eh, never cared for wine.
<OscarL>
scanty: I didn't for most of my life either.
<OscarL>
maybe I should have kept on that track :-D
<scanty>
and i'm very picky about which beers i will drink
<Begasus>
plenty to taste here scanty :)
<zdykstra>
oof, something isn't right with my Haiku machine
<Begasus>
it's running zdykstra? ;)
<scanty>
Begasus: indeed! Hope to get there some day when i am more stable and have my own place.
<zdykstra>
every icon on the desktop results in a window saying "There was an error resolving the link."
<Begasus>
restart Tracker?
<zdykstra>
Deskbar too
* zdykstra
reboots
<scanty>
Begasus: there is a belgian beer i like called kwak(sp?) have you heard of it?
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<OscarL>
My 15 y/o still miss being able to buy 500 ml cans of Saporo beer from Japan
<OscarL>
cans were amazingly thick, so they made for great "glasses" once properly worked.
<scanty>
saporo is a good one
<scanty>
but not saporo dry.
<OscarL>
only ever tried the plain "Saporo" one. With the faceted alum can.
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<zdykstra>
rebooting fixed it, weird
<OscarL>
Be well Begasus[m] (even if late)
<zdykstra>
how's life for you, OscarL ?
<OscarL>
zdykstra: at this very moment? about 89%. Which is effing great, if you ask me :-D
<zdykstra>
89% is a very good number
<OscarL>
thanks for doing so, btw.... and I whish your day is at least half as possitively pleaantly surprising as mine was
<zdykstra>
I'd be happy with that too
<zdykstra>
I'm about to hop on the bike in the basement and get a few hours of base miles in while listening to music
<zdykstra>
so that should be a nice pleasant afternoon
<OscarL>
good music, good pizza, good chat among fellow BeOS/Haiku enjoyers, that seems to be good fellows all-around... not sure it can get much better :-D
<zdykstra>
it really can't
<OscarL>
thanks for being part of that zdykstra. Much appreciated!
<zdykstra>
same for you - you always make me smile
<OscarL>
and best of luck in with your ride.
<scanty>
OscarL: 89% is really good, given your condition.
<OscarL>
scanty: yeah, it it. today, in big part thanks to you, and your work,
<scanty>
glad i could help :-)
<OscarL>
happy to be able to enjoy things, for once :-)
<scanty>
OscarL: indeed. i have been well (hardly any hearing voices, etc) for a few months now
<scanty>
and all my medications are in order so i don't walk around like a zombie in a daze during the day time hours.
<zdykstra>
I imagine that's a really nice change for you
<scanty>
yes, i can concentrate a lot better now.
<scanty>
life is good -- i am content right now.
<scanty>
going to have my own place, hopefully sooner than later.
<scanty>
waiting for the government.
<OscarL>
scanty: very glad to hear! Not being able to find the right medication is.... my current 10+ years long situation :-D
<scanty>
Lithium?
<scanty>
or Valporate (Depakote)
<OscarL>
regarding having tour own place... man.... I don't pray... but you *do* have me on your corner wishing you the best.
<OscarL>
s/tour/your/
<scanty>
thank you :-)
<OscarL>
I can't even touch Lithium, sadly. Highly allergic :-(
<scanty>
oh wow
<scanty>
i didn't even know such an allergy was possible
<OscarL>
And considering how it price blew up since I fisrst got it.... kind of a bleasing in disguise :-D
<scanty>
interesting, here it's really cheap
<scanty>
you can get a months worth for a few dollars.
<OscarL>
scanty: only one possible interaction with lithium... psoriasis. I have a really mild case... unless I'm near lithium. :-(
<scanty>
i see.
<scanty>
have you tried any other medications, or do you just deal with it the best you can?
<scanty>
i know how frustrating it is when meds don't work
<OscarL>
tried basicly everything. I'm really sensitive to most meds, so I had to cut down dosis at least at half if not more.
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<scanty>
that must be difficult
<OscarL>
I rather be "weird" me than "medicated weird" me, so... here I am... unmedicated.
<scanty>
whatever works for you :-)
<OscarL>
not ideal, but it is what it is.
<scanty>
wish i could help you, but i'm not a doctor (i just play one on tv). i do however know a lot about medications from being on so many
<scanty>
let me see i think i made a list
<OscarL>
had MDs ask me what they should prescribe me :-(
<OscarL>
(given that I apparently knew more about my conditon than some of them :-/)
<scanty>
well, finding the right doctor can make all the difference
<scanty>
i have had doctors in the past have me tell them what to prescribe, too.
<OscarL>
my "last" hope (after lots of trials) was bupropion. Didn't make any difference on me. Oh well.
<scanty>
that one made me feel like i had the flu
<OscarL>
I now just try to "hibernate" when I know I'm getting bad.
<OscarL>
Can't always tell, but I try.
<scanty>
the problem with that also is that it would only treat your lows, and not your highs
* scanty
wishes he could get his doctor to see OscarL
<scanty>
my doctor is amazing, but expensive. here you get what you pay for, usually.
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<OscarL>
Being Type II, my highs are pretty "lame" (even if can make me look like an idiot).
<scanty>
i see.
<OscarL>
by my lows are apparently something a bit off the charts :-D
<OscarL>
s/by/but/
<OscarL>
I don't mind either... but I do positively hate mixed episodes :-(
<scanty>
yeah, i have major depressive disorder as well. I know what it's like to be really really low
<OscarL>
or "rapid ciclying".
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<scanty>
yeah
<scanty>
i have a friend like that
<scanty>
very hard to stay in touch with her
<OscarL>
and yet... bipolars seem more sane than borderline disorder sufferers :-(
<scanty>
yeah, people with personality disorders can be completely nuts
<OscarL>
should have used "sane", there.
<scanty>
ever been to a psych. hospital?
<OscarL>
walked myself in twice.
<scanty>
i was there i think four times in the past, but didn't walk myself in, i was too sick.
<scanty>
it's like jail, they take everything away from you
<OscarL>
Yeah.. I might have jumped the gun.
<scanty>
and then there's nothing to do all day
<scanty>
i snuck in my mp3 player :-)
<OscarL>
I was sent out the two times... only to then get follow up calls to see if I haven't ended my self, as I was so surely going to :-)
<OscarL>
s/:-)/:-(/
<scanty>
that's how i ended up there the first time
<scanty>
i overdosed on codeine xanax and alcohol
<scanty>
the first night i was ever on the psych ward, they tied me to the bed
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<scanty>
and stayed in my room to watch that i was sleeping
<OscarL>
Not sure it matters much, but at least *I* am glad to have been able to share some for your time.
<scanty>
indeed.
<scanty>
me too
<OscarL>
while I "like" talking about this things in public... I also understand that the off-topic allowance has its limits, even if for a good cause. If you ever feel like I might be a good listener, do not hessitate to contact me if you see me online, scanty.
<OscarL>
Can't promise anything good, but I'll try.
<scanty>
I agree, and appreciate your offer. The same stands for you :-)
<OscarL>
thank you.
<scanty>
yw
<scanty>
i'm going to take a little break for now
<OscarL>
+1
<scanty>
i'll be back later, if i don't see you, have a great night
* Anarchos
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<dovsienko>
I am observing an odd behaviour today: running "ssh <haikuhost> <command>" executes the command, but then the session does not close and it continues to wait for something
<Anarchos>
dovsienko i did'nt know you could add a command to ssh !
<dovsienko>
Ctrl-C returns the prompt to the Linux client and then things run normally for a while until this happens again, in the simplest case running "date" over SSH reproduces the problem
<dovsienko>
Anarchos: today you learned something new
<Anarchos>
dovsienko i printed 8 books 250 pages each of instense maths this year. I have a lot to learn :)
<dovsienko>
so, for example "ssh <haikuhost> git -C path/to/repository diff" sends the diff to stdout, and then it only takes to pipe it into "git apply" to copy remote changes to the local host
<Anarchos>
dovsienko what i need is to NOT type the password each time i ssh into another computer on my local network :)
<dovsienko>
that's exactly what SSH keys are for
<Anarchos>
dovsienko but i have a ssh key in local !
<dovsienko>
the public key must be on the remote host, "man ssh-copy-id" and you should be fine
<Anarchos>
dovsienko i heard about a thing called ssh-agent ??
<jezek2>
dovsienko: maybe you have something in the dotfiles (.bashrc/.profile and similar, not sure which one is used in this case), you can also try the -t parameter if it makes any change (I use it to be able to ctrl+c the process on the server)
<dovsienko>
the agent is a background process that remembers the secret key so you don't have to type the key passphrase every time (yes, each key is supposed to have a good passphrase)
<dovsienko>
"ssh-add [path to key file]" loads the key into the agent
<dovsienko>
after I learned the hang of key-based auth in SSH, it felt like my hands were tied before
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<Anarchos>
dovsienko i used ssh-copy-id but it still asks for password
<dovsienko>
Anarchos: is the target a Haiku host?
<Anarchos>
yes
<dovsienko>
ssh-copy-id does not support Haiku (anybody willing to patch it?), where the authorized key is in a different location, let me look it up
<dovsienko>
~/config/settings/ssh/authorized_keys it is
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<dovsienko>
type ssh-copy-id
<dovsienko>
actually, there's B_USER_SETTINGS_DIRECTORY in the file, so somebody has patched it already
<dovsienko>
that said, TARGET_PATH does not take it into account so it looks like the patched script handles Haiku client correctly, but not a Haiku server
<dovsienko>
it has code to use an OpenWrt-specific path when the remote host is OpenWrt, so this is where Haiku-specific path could go along the same lines