<nephele>
I can send a patch to mention the enviroment variable though, that should make it clearer what is intended for the user
<nephele>
something like "No default python interpreter found use VAR= to set a specific version if no default is installed"
<nephele>
Skipp_OSX: I was trying to figure out where the code lives in tracker for the "Open" action like in filetypes for selecting an app, because the text button color is wrong
<nephele>
but it's quite confusing with trackers huge codebase :)
<Skipp_OSX>
I should write a guide
<Skipp_OSX>
anyway, do you mean mime types? Where is this button?
<nephele>
well, the app is called filetypes. But yes. If i select a mime type and use the "Select..." button to select an application to use for opening this mime type in the future
<Skipp_OSX>
So the Open with... window?
<Skipp_OSX>
or in FileType?
<Skipp_OSX>
FileTypes?
<nephele>
I mean in filetype, let me check if open with has the same behaviour
<nephele>
nah, open with... is something different
<nephele>
I mean this tracker file selection dialog you open with the "Select..." or "Same as..." button in FileTypes
<Skipp_OSX>
That's in FilePanel.cpp (public interface) or FilePanelPriv.cpp (private interface)
<nephele>
Hmm, no layout kit, is this one of the places that tries to remain BeOS compatible?
<nephele>
ah, it does use Preffered() though
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<waddlesplash>
yeah we can't use layouts here as it will break ABI
<waddlesplash>
check the commit history for more details
<waddlesplash>
we absolutely should use layouts in the progress window though
<waddlesplash>
that could really use the work
<nephele>
What progress window? for copying files?
<nephele>
I'm confused why this button uses black text color, it's not set explicitly. Is this a side effect of not using layouts? In appeareance for example they are defined similarily and also never have their color set explicitly
<Skipp_OSX>
look for HighColor
<nephele>
Skipp_OSX: Yes but, why does this work without HighColor in appearence prefs? does the layout kit do something implicitly here?
<Skipp_OSX>
layout kit doesn't have to deal with colors but maybe it uses SetHighUIColor?
<Skipp_OSX>
(I mean appearance does, that's how it uses the system colors)
<nephele>
Tried with default_button->SetHighUIColor(B_CONTROL_TEXT_COLOR);
<nephele>
didn't seem to make a difference
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<nephele>
Skipp_OSX: Do i need something more for the color?
<Skipp_OSX>
not for buttons you shouldn't need anything more
<Skipp_OSX>
for textviews you need more, but for buttons it's just high and low. You should be able to issue AdoptSystemColors() to get control colors.
<nephele>
well, it doesn't work :( tried doing it after they are attached to fBackView and before
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<nephele>
ah, okay. I can try that call
<nephele>
> Instructs view to use standard system "panel" colors
<nephele>
aha, almost fell for it :D
<nephele>
but using SetHighUIColor with B_CONTROL_TEXT_COLOR should be enough
<nephele>
i don't understand why it isn't
<nephele>
okay. Now I am extra confused, AdoptSystemColors modifies the background color. But not the foreground
<nephele>
Okay. So, if i set View and Low and High to B_CONTROL_TEXT_COLOR, the text is *still black*
<nephele>
but the background is now white
<nephele>
okay. Where does it reset this color, i don't understand
<nephele>
does this mean BButton uses the low color for the text instead?
<Skipp_OSX>
well it means it's based on the low color
<Skipp_OSX>
some tint probably
<nephele>
yes but it also uses this for the background, which makes no sense to me
<nephele>
why does it work with other buttons
<Skipp_OSX>
actually, look at code, no, it doesn't
<nephele>
> And as we've already discussed, nothing uses B_CONTROL_TEXT/BACKGROUND_COLOR except BButon and it tints it.
<nephele>
I expect making BControl set the control colors for adoptsystemcolors will break some stuff initially :)
<Skipp_OSX>
the text color is set to text color if passed in, it's not in this case that would come after alignment, or the parent's high color if it's got one, or control color if the B_IS_CONTROL flag is passed in, and finally panel text color
<Skipp_OSX>
so in this case it's probably getting it from the parent view's high color.
<Skipp_OSX>
so it adopt's the parent's color all the time, and that's something I did just before r1b5
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<Skipp_OSX>
before that it was just text color if you passed one in or panel text color, so now you have the option to set control color at least
<nephele>
where does it adopt the parent color?
<Skipp_OSX>
in Haiku/BeControlLook
<nephele>
ah, okay
<nephele>
so, i should set the highcolor of fBackView to what i want the text color to be?
<Skipp_OSX>
I guess so, yeah
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<nephele>
That is a bit annoying. Now I have a wierd combination of panel bg and control fg in the code :)
<nephele>
but it does atleast explain why this happened here... hmm
<nephele>
how is control text used then, though? it's normally not on the parent (which is usually a panel)
<nephele>
Hmm, nope. with the high ui color of fBackView this also doesn't work
<nephele>
Okay. Setting the Parents color fixes it. I guess this is a win for now, but the button api should really be improved here.
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<Krutarthpatel[m]>
hello, how can I link to the syslog library in a Jamfile for printing debug information? looking at
<Krutarthpatel[m]>
haiku/src/add-ons/input_server/filters/screen_saver/Jamfile and haiku/src/add-ons/input_server/filters/screen_saver/Jamfile there is not mention of libroot.so or syslog which leads me to believe that my kernel driver cannot use the syslog interface? Does kprintf()/dprintf() accomplish the same thing?
<Krutarthpatel[m]>
* hello, how can I link to the syslog library in a Jamfile for printing debug information? looking at
<Krutarthpatel[m]>
haiku/src/add-ons/input_server/filters/screen_saver/Jamfile and haiku/src/add-ons/input_server/filters/screen_saver/Jamfile there is no mention of libroot.so or syslog which leads me to believe that my kernel driver cannot use the syslog interface? Does kprintf()/dprintf() accomplish the same thing?
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<Krutarthpatel[m]>
It seems like the only difference between dprintf and kprintf is dprintf checks if a debug flag is set. What is the stdout for both these functions?
<Krutarthpatel[m]>
I wish to see the output during the boot process( I enable on screen output in the bootloader )
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<nephele>
Good day today
<phschafft>
every day is a good day. just that some are good while passing, and some are good when over. ;)
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<nephele>
phschafft: working on semantic colors now :)
<nephele>
trying to make controls, that are not a button, use the control color, and not the panel color
<phschafft>
:)
<phschafft>
I think I'm now relativly happy with the little font I started yesterday.
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<nephele>
zardshard: have you added yourself to aboutSystem?
<zardshard>
No
<zardshard>
Guess it's time, isn't it?
<Begasus[m]>
'lo peeps :)
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<zardshard>
Hello Begasus :). Heading out again
<nephele>
hi Begasus[m]
<nephele>
zardshard: perhaps, well, as a commiter you should be in the maintainer section normally :)
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<Begasus[m]>
toot created at fediverse nephele :)
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<Begasus[m]>
PulkoMandy: is there any coffee in the neighborhoud, or do we bring our own supply? :)
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<nephele>
last time at the event there was one coffee thingy on premise with huge lines and blasting music :/
<nephele>
but no idea for the stand stuff itself
<Begasus[m]>
I'll probably bring some with me then :)
<Begasus[m]>
a full day without ... makes me ... :)
<nephele>
I am also somewhat adicted to coffee
<Begasus[m]>
bringing some packages on par here (not in the depot) for the weekend
<Halian|Jardin>
Soda here
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<Begasus[m]>
will you be visiting/attending Halian|Haiku ?
<nephele>
Soda? I read there is a recall of coca cola because of toxic subtances
<Halian|Jardin>
Unless it's in the Southern United States, unable :(
<nephele>
Why, in the EU capital of course :)
<nephele>
but that would indeed be quite the trip
<Halian|Jardin>
:(
<Halian|Jardin>
I can't afford a passport and two round-trip tickets to Europe
<nephele>
Begasus[m]: will you bring a haiku demo machine?
<Halian|Jardin>
Let alone trying to find one that's accessible to my big power chair
<Begasus[m]>
I'll bring my laptop with me nephele
<nephele>
I could bring my optiplex maybe, with display and stuff
<nephele>
need something for the coding sprint anyway
<nephele>
do we have power outlets available at fosdem?
<nephele>
or bring the mac mini with haiku on it :)
<Begasus[m]>
I hope so
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<Halian|Jardin>
Bring plenty of extension cords and power strips
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<Halian|Jardin>
From my experience working conventions, you will need more than you think
<nephele>
well, i mean, only one power strip of course :)
<Begasus[m]>
Been a loooong time ago since I dem'd BeOS R5 :)
<nephele>
> build/scripts/build_haiku_package: line 105: generated/objects/haiku/x86_64/packaging/packages_build/regular/hpkg_-haiku.hpkg/scripts/haiku.package-extract-files: No such file or directory
<nephele>
why build :(
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<Begasus[m]>
haven't setup a build env for Haiku itself on this install
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<Begasus[m]>
OK, KDevelop 24.12.1 up and running :)
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<nephele>
seems xorisso wasn't installed and that caused all subsequent failures
<nephele>
despite -q
<Begasus[m]>
that should be listed as a requirement?
<nephele>
it probably is. I just assume "whatever" is already there
<Begasus[m]>
that and zstd, seen some strugling on that
<nephele>
on nightlies :)
<Begasus[m]>
heh
<Begasus[m]>
k, let's check this R thing korli suggested
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<nephele>
R?
<Begasus[m]>
yes
<Begasus[m]>
Iceweasel is nice ... the crashing tab ... not that much :/
<nephele>
I haven't actually tried it :)
<Begasus[m]>
WebPositive would still be my main, but without navigating it's kinda hard to use
<Begasus[m]>
so I use both atm
<Begasus[m]>
Falkon still suffers from cpu usage
<nephele>
Well, I might talk with disroot agaik. If they would host a copy of haikuwebkit I can make releases from there, and pulkomandy can make releases from github. for haikuports it should not matter too much from which repo it pulls
<nephele>
haikudepot crashing if i type too quickly after it opened is killing my workflow xD
<Begasus[m]>
pkgman ftw! :D
<Begasus[m]>
but then again, fix it? ;)
<nephele>
pkgman is good, but i'd rather not use the commandline
<nephele>
what is that tiny star supposed to mean in HaikuDepot?
<Begasus[m]>
wouldn't know, I don't use that mostly
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<Begasus[m]>
SoftwareUpdater should be split into SoftwareUpdater and SystemUpdater (like pkgman, full-sync/update)
<nephele>
huh?
<nephele>
why?
<Begasus[m]>
pkgman up: only checks new packages/changes
<Begasus[m]>
SoftwareUpdater downgrades my local packages (like pkgman full-sync)
<nephele>
How about a menu bar for SoftwareUpdater, and in it an option for this that you can check?
<Begasus[m]>
atleast an option would do yes
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<nephele>
I don't think having two Apps for this is a good idea. The difference is small, and the potential for confusion is huge
<Begasus[m]>
small? think full frameworks fot Qt6/KF6 (that's almost 200 packages) :)
<nephele>
Media vs Sound preferences already bites me often
<nephele>
Begasus, not sure how to tell you this, but most people don't have any non-ports packages, let alone 200! :D
<Begasus[m]>
I'm not most people :P
<nephele>
Yes, and i think you should be able to use the gui aswell. :P
<nephele>
make a ticket? I'll look into this later, but i might forget. I'm heading out soonish to get something to eat
<Begasus[m]>
same here, picking up one of the kids at work
<Begasus[m]>
will check later :)
<nephele>
oki!
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<nephele>
huh Begauss, it seems SoftwareUpdater already has some code for this
<nephele>
"SoftwareUpdater update" on the commandline should do what you want
<nephele>
why
<nephele>
SoftwareUpdater check displays a notification if updates are available
<nephele>
So anyway, I think I can add this with even less effort than I had assumed. If there is no ARGV it should be possible to adjust the default, based on a menu item :)
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<nephele>
Well, no audio through displayport yet, so no need for me right now xD
<Begasus[m]>
not releasing it I think, I still need to adjust video rate sometimes (had the same with PlasmaTube)
<Begasus[m]>
but still handy here locally :D
<Begasus[m]>
k, biab
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<waddlesplash>
nephele: I think full sync is a good default here, it will be what most users want and doesn't require them to understand how the package manager works. Everyone else can use options if they need them
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<Begasus[m]>
options are nice waddlesplash :)
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<Begasus[m]>
color-schemes also working for Haruna (can switch icon theme also) :)
<Skipp_OSX>
heyo Beg
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<Begasus[m]>
Hi there Skipp_OSX
<Begasus[m]>
In all fairness, Quaternion runs better then NeoChat
<Skipp_OSX>
must be near bedtime I get on you get off
<Begasus[m]>
not yet here :) you are early
<Begasus[m]>
Nice, toot for FOSDEM already got 8 boosts :)
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<draKon>
anyone got a haiku coding manual for sale?
<draKon>
or a 3 depositories, that are VERY useful?
<draKon>
sorry my english bad
<draKon>
3 places i can find the right ways to learn coding for Haiku via the internet or outside in a shop?
<nekobot>
[haiku/haiku] 61d47c1e9216 - buffer truncation looking up MIME types
<draKon>
id actually like to talk to the coders of falkon and or qute browser, i really like them, and want to pay them more money to make them work properly,
<draKon>
crashing to much
<draKon>
but really good browsers
<draKon>
:)
<draKon>
sorry thats not useful to say id pay more money to them
<draKon>
i just cant get people to make things properly by talking, cash speaks
<draKon>
money talks.
<draKon>
i just wish the haiku support teams, would get their act together, and focus on say 25 complete hardware systems, and stop acting like steve balmers and bill gates trying to fix their problems
<draKon>
sorry but i dont wish to speak badly of ANYONE here
<draKon>
just sick of failures that are unnecessary, sounds like police are working on things like all the other failures we have to deal with LOL
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<nephele>
waddlesplash: RE: SoftareUpdater; I agree and i don't intend to change the defaults. I
<nephele>
want to add a menubar so begasus has the option to switch to normal update
<waddlesplash>
eh. I think an option here may be confusing
<waddlesplash>
Begasus is one of a very small number of users that want something other than the default
<nephele>
"Allow package downgrades"
<nephele>
So what? people in the forum also often have this problem :)
<waddlesplash>
... and there are users that will think "that sounds bad" and unckec it, not understanding it
<waddlesplash>
what problem?
<waddlesplash>
most people on the forums are not compiling software themselves
<nephele>
no, but installing from severall repos and deactivating repos has this same effect
<waddlesplash>
that sounds like a special case
<waddlesplash>
instead of adding an option for that, just make it possible to deselect specific updates
<waddlesplash>
or downgrades for that matter
<nephele>
yes, sure. But we shouldn't force people to use a commandline for package maintenance
<nephele>
Hmm, could also work
<waddlesplash>
sure, but I think this is one option we shouldn't expose, just make it possible to deselect
<waddlesplash>
I think there's already a ticket about this actually
<nephele>
it should also display it better when a package version is decremented
<nephele>
do you have reservations about exposing automatic update checking in the menu?
<nephele>
i.e default checked never, and you can select weekly , bi-weekly or monthly or so
<nephele>
and it will enable a service that checks that often
<waddlesplash>
I think we should probably enable automatic update checking yes
<waddlesplash>
and show a notification
<waddlesplash>
I think it should be enabled by default for weekly
<nephele>
I don't really, i don't want any network activity that could be considered "calling home" per default :)
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<nephele>
SoftwareUpdater already has code to show a notification for updates found anyhow
<waddlesplash>
maybe when you open HaikuDepot it can check then
<waddlesplash>
since that will do network operations anyway
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<nephele>
aslong as that doesn't spam (i.e also only displays once a week or so) I have no objections to that idea
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<catmeow72>
Is there a place in the input server where I can add an identifier for an input device to the BMessage the input filters get?
<catmeow72>
And are there identifiers or paths I can use for this?
<waddlesplash>
why do you need this?
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<Begasus[m]>
I'll just stick to pkgman :)
<catmeow72>
So I can make a per-device input server filter. The idea is to have a filter that can be enabled for trackpoints, without affecting USB mice.
<Begasus[m]>
use it in the scripts anyway to install the full KDE framework packages
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<catmeow72>
An alternative would be to use such an identifier to only run a filter for specific devices.
<waddlesplash>
you can just add TRACKPOINT_POINTING_DEVICE
<catmeow72>
Okay. I just need to figure out how to properly detect the trackpoint
<waddlesplash>
hmm, TrackPoint may be a trademarked name
<catmeow72>
The common name is the Nubb
<catmeow72>
Maybe just call it JOYSTICK_MOUSE, as that's essentially what it is
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<catmeow72>
It's basically a joystick built-in to the keyboard that moves the mouse
<waddlesplash>
just STICK_POINTING_DEVICE probably then
<catmeow72>
Sounds good.
<nephele>
I tried to add a new Method to BControl, and removed one of the Reserved methods, but now all userspace apps linked to it fail to open because the Reserved symbol is missing. How should I do this instead?
<nephele>
Trying to implement AdoptSystemColors for it so it uses control colors and not panel colors
<waddlesplash>
you don't need to remove reserved method, if the underlying class already had a virtual method with this name
<nephele>
waddlesplash: begasus made a mastodon post you can publish :)
<waddlesplash>
i.e. you only remove reserved methods when adding wholly new virtual methods
<nephele>
hey Begasus[m], didn't you get commit rights there? doesn't that make you upstream? :)
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<Begasus[m]>
I do have commit/merge rights there yes, but not taking that for granted, this was an update on the forum post where I reacted with the issue :)
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<nephele>
:)
<Begasus[m]>
already did a few "save" merges theree :D
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<catmeow72>
Is checking if the filename contains "trackpoint" and is under "/dev/input/ps2" a valid way to detect the trackpoint? It seems to be that the driver puts them at /dev/input/ps2/ibm_trackpoint_<number>
<nephele>
Heh, I adjusted the DrawGlossyBackground to match more closely to the color it is beeing requested with, and immidientally all controls using B_PANEL_BACKGORUND_COLOR start looking bad, because they are the color of the panel behind them :D
<waddlesplash>
catmeow72: there is probably a better way to check
<waddlesplash>
but that sounds like an OK hack to test with
<catmeow72>
It seems to be the method used to set the display name
<nekobot>
[haiku/haiku] b2b3e7145675 - KPath: Remove memset after allocate.
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<waddlesplash>
jmairboeck: you still use VirtualBox, yeah?
<jmairboeck>
yes
<waddlesplash>
I would be interested if compile performance is any different on yesterday's vs. today's build
<waddlesplash>
i.e. the one with the "Cache kernel stacks" change, vs. without
<waddlesplash>
(that's hrev58568)
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<jmairboeck>
ok, it is a bit unconclusive: 2 out of 3 runs were faster, but the third was slower again: https://0x0.st/88ZQ.txt
<jmairboeck>
but this is running off an old slow spinning disk, so it's not fast anyway
<waddlesplash>
fair enough
<waddlesplash>
0x0.st isn't loading here oddly
<jmairboeck>
my benchmark was again the partial unsucessful build of https://github.com/MFHava/CWC (I still haven't looked at why it is failing on Haiku)
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<dodo75>
Which package do I need to install to be able to use nslookup?