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<JackDaniel>
Hi! I wrote a simple sync and backup app in python + qt. I didn't find something similar which was allready made by someone. It's not to much but is usefull at least for me.
<JackDaniel>
basically, you select a source dir and a destination dir and press the sync button. Then the script creates, delete, copy etc and make the synchronization between these directories
<JackDaniel>
do you think is usefull something like that for the others?
<JackDaniel>
if so, I can put the sources somewhere on the github
<Begasus[m]>
if nothing is available to your liking why not :)
<coolcoder613_>
JackDaniel: Have you ever tried Haiku-PyAPI?
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<JackDaniel>
nope, I'm relatively new to Haiku
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<nekobot>
• Begasus (096a26fc): ada, new recipe (#11643)
<Begasus>
k, build checked on 32bit, all tests passed :)
<Begasus>
out for a bit
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<Anarchos>
is it possible to put an image on a usb key to boot on it, or is it mandatory to put an anyboot.iso on a USB key ?
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<andreaa71>
hi ...
<andreaa71>
haiku os is software 4 electronic brain ...
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<zdykstra>
Anarchos: you can boot from a USB drive. Might want to make an ESP on it and name the bootloader BOOTX64.EFI so systems will find it. (Assuming you want it to be portable)
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<nipos>
I just tried pushing something to Gerrit,but it doesn't work anymore.I did "git push origin HEAD:refs/for/master" like always and it tells me "Authentication failed" but I'm sure the password was right (copy&paste).I already tried generating a fresh one in the Gerrit preferences,but with the new one it doesn't work either
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<Anarchos>
zdykstra no i don't do (u)efi boot, only plain old bios
<Anarchos>
nipos is your date/time accurate ?
<nipos>
Yes
<Anarchos>
nipos so i i have no other idea for you, sorry
<PulkoMandy>
do you use https to push to gerrit? Usually it would be ssh with ssh keys and no password
<PulkoMandy>
Ok, I never tried that (well I tried with gertty and that didn't work, but it might be gertty's fault)
<waddlesplash>
nipos: kallisti5[m] has been making adjustments to the infrastructure lately
<waddlesplash>
so somehow this might have changed something
<waddlesplash>
I guess you can't use a SSH password?
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<nipos>
I never tried.I always found HTTPS+Password easier/more convenient,because I don't have to mess with keys when I use different computers.But if you think it works over SSH,I'll try to set that up
<waddlesplash>
ssh also supports password auth
<waddlesplash>
I don't know if Gerrit has that enabled though
<nipos>
It seems it has only key auth enabled
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<nipos>
It works now with the ssh key,thanks for the hint
<waddlesplash>
if it used to work with a password we should probably fix that
<waddlesplash>
may be worth opening a ticket
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<nipos>
Will do that
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<nipos>
There's a ticket about a similar issue by PulkoMandy: https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/19311 But I'm pretty sure git pushing over https still worked 3 weeks ago when he reported that,so probably another issue
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<waddlesplash>
hmm
<waddlesplash>
I'd just add a comment on that
<waddlesplash>
it's probably related
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<waddlesplash>
nipos: sorry I just noticed one more thing for your change lol
<waddlesplash>
replied
<nipos>
I would have been surprised if it was fine lol
<nipos>
Responded to the HTTPS auth thing
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<nekobot>
[haiku/haiku] 08028803b102 - interface_kit/ChannelSlider: Divide value by 1000 and show one digit after the point.
<waddlesplash>
:)
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<geniodiabolico>
Hi everyone. I just found out about Haiku a few days ago. I remember the era when BeOS fans were pushing to have it become the official Apple OS successor to System 8. I was interested so I put it on an old Toshiba Satellite that was gathering dust.
<geniodiabolico>
I pulled down the source code and am running my first build right now.
<augiedoggie>
waddlesplash: i have a quick question for you if you're around...
<augiedoggie>
i'm not why it's being multiplied by 2
<augiedoggie>
that's what breaks it
<waddlesplash>
me neither :P
<augiedoggie>
heh
<waddlesplash>
git blame says this has been there since the beginning basically
<augiedoggie>
yeah
<geniodiabolico>
I am willing to tackle the most boring, routine tasks available.
<augiedoggie>
and i could've sworn that i've seen rc output the app_version properly before
<waddlesplash>
maybe there are RSRCs from BeOS that are different here?
<geniodiabolico>
I noticed there are a substantial number of warnings on the build, some of which seem to be indicating potential buffer overflows. "Writing up to 2048 bytes to a 1024 buffer" type warnings.
<waddlesplash>
geniodiabolico: some of those are bogus
<waddlesplash>
those sorts of GCC warnings have a lot of false positives, a proper inspection of the code will show that it can't get that large
<waddlesplash>
or, if it does, the code already deals with that
<waddlesplash>
augiedoggie: I definitely have also, now that you mention it. So, I wonder what's going on here
<waddlesplash>
I guess it's due to //const version_info *systemVersion = version + 1;
<waddlesplash>
there are two different versions in many fields
<waddlesplash>
it appears
<augiedoggie>
hm
<waddlesplash>
so, I guess to handle both cases, we should check length >= sizeof
<waddlesplash>
and then inside the method, if length == sizeof * 2, then the second one is valid
<waddlesplash>
we never print it anyway at present so that doesn't matter if it's missing
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<waddlesplash>
geniodiabolico: and welcome :)
<geniodiabolico>
thanks. I'm a retired software engineer and developer advocate. I'm willing to work on code, write documentation, write up how-tos, etc
<augiedoggie>
it appears to work without changes to the function though, if i just disable the '* 2'
<augiedoggie>
or change to >=
<waddlesplash>
yeah, it looks like some things contain the second version tho
<waddlesplash>
we have that commented out now
<waddlesplash>
so let's use >= and add a comment inline
<waddlesplash>
geniodiabolico: well, find something interesting and dive in, I guess :)
<waddlesplash>
and feel free to ask questions
<geniodiabolico>
that's why I was wondering if making warnings go away had value. At worst, getting rid of false positives makes it easier to see the meaning ones.
<waddlesplash>
I suppose it depends on the case
<waddlesplash>
we do want to enable -Werror eventually, but some of those currently the Werrors are disabled because there's too many false positives I think
<waddlesplash>
but I haven't looked into this in detail in a while
<geniodiabolico>
One thing that is happening on my old Toshiba is that periodically the UI goes unresponsive. Mouse stops moving, keys not accepted. When I have the build visible in Konsole it is still working but no further input is accepted. Eventually it goes to screensaver and can't wake up. Eventually I hard reboot
<geniodiabolico>
Are there logs I can look at to see if there is a visible error when that happens?
<Habbie>
visible in Konsole, as in, ssh from a non-haiku machine?
<Habbie>
also, welcome!
<geniodiabolico>
no, locally on my machine
<Habbie>
oh you use Konsole on Haiku?
<geniodiabolico>
just running the build in a shell. I'm doing everything pure Haiku
<geniodiabolico>
because why not?
<Habbie>
cool :)
<Habbie>
so you see compiler output etc., just no control any more
<geniodiabolico>
yes. When it gets like that, I have never broken out except by reboot
<waddlesplash>
geniodiabolico: do you have "power saving" enabled
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<waddlesplash>
I have reproduce it here but have not spent time trying to track it down
<waddlesplash>
one thing I don't think I tried yet was seeing whether the kernel debugger keyboard shortcut works in this state
<waddlesplash>
if it doesn't, hopefully USB is indeed unaffected and I can try investigating that way
<waddlesplash>
or if you're feeling adventurous, you can try poking at it :P
<geniodiabolico>
I'm willing to try, especially since it seems to happen regularly enough
<waddlesplash>
the power saving mode primarily changes how the scheduler balances processes
<geniodiabolico>
is there a process I could attach the debugger to and just wait for it to happen?
<waddlesplash>
I would not be surprised if in the end this is some really obscure scheduler bug in the kernel
<waddlesplash>
geniodiabolico: not really because the affected processes are likely input_server, app_server, and then the input drivers in the kernel
<waddlesplash>
you can only attach a console text-mode debugger to the first two, for obvious reasons
<waddlesplash>
and the kernel needs the kernel debugger of course
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<geniodiabolico>
OK, I will look around at this. I won't claim it unless I feel like I have a handle on it but I don't mind weird obscure bugs. There was a race condition in a communication handshake for one place I worked. I spent two days stepping through over and over until I caught it,.
<Habbie>
'race conditions' and 'stepping through' are always a fun combination to start with
<Habbie>
waddlesplash, "broader than ThinkPad hardware" indeed :)
<waddlesplash>
geniodiabolico: first thing I would investigate here is where things are getting stuck
<geniodiabolico>
Definitely happening on my Toshiba stuff. Until I started farting with this, I didn't even know about Dynabook. Had never heard the name.
<waddlesplash>
so, I would get a reliable way to get into the kernel debugger, to start
<waddlesplash>
and then, check the "ints" command for interrupt counts
<waddlesplash>
those numbers won't move while the kernel debugger is running
<waddlesplash>
but between kernel debugger runs, check if the input device interrupt count goes up
<waddlesplash>
if it does, then we are at least getting the input interrupts
<waddlesplash>
so the next question is then where they get lost
<geniodiabolico>
OK, cool. Having a concrete thing to look at is a better ramp in than "do anything."
<waddlesplash>
indeed
<geniodiabolico>
is there a package I need to install for "ints" command or is it built somewhere in this source tree?
<Habbie>
you need to be in the kernel debugger first
<Habbie>
also called KDL
<Habbie>
(note that i only 30% know things, but it might save you a bit of waiting for waddlesplash)
<waddlesplash>
yes
<waddlesplash>
lol
<geniodiabolico>
Then I'm confused on "between kernel debugger runs check if it device interrupt count goes up." I run the debugger, check it, kill the debugger and check again later?
<waddlesplash>
yes
<geniodiabolico>
ok
<waddlesplash>
the kernel debugger is a "stop the world" thing
<geniodiabolico>
I see
<waddlesplash>
when it's running, nothing else is
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<Habbie>
ahh, KDL, ints, exit KDL, cause some inputs, KDL again, ints
<waddlesplash>
yep
<Habbie>
this assumes you can type into KDL at all, of course?
<waddlesplash>
it uses a different input path entirely from userspace
<Habbie>
a polling one?
<waddlesplash>
yes
<Habbie>
neat
<waddlesplash>
even if the PS2 interrupt is dead, if you can activate KDL, it may still work
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<geniodiabolico>
ok. looking at the KDL docs. I'll wait until my build is done to experiment with this in case I lock up my whole machine
<geniodiabolico>
this is an old machine. How long do builds typically take on modern (last few years) boxes? This is approaching two hours for first time through
<waddlesplash>
I guess you must be building crosstools?
<waddlesplash>
if you are on Haiku that's actually unnecessary, so long as you don't need to build the bootloaders
<geniodiabolico>
I just naively went into the top haiku directory and typed "jam"
<waddlesplash>
ah
<waddlesplash>
but what arguments did you pass to configure first?
<geniodiabolico>
I just ran configure with no argument
<waddlesplash>
that works, ok, no cross tools
<waddlesplash>
I've never measured it but a full system rebuild on my setup takes less than 15 minutes I think
<nipos>
Seems really outdated,still mentions libopenbeos.so and a OpenBeOS namespace and the file paths don't seem to fit either.Not sure what to do with it
<waddlesplash>
yeah, we should rewrite this
<geniodiabolico>
2 hours and 45 minutes with one reboot break in the middle when my input locked up
<waddlesplash>
some of this info is still relevant but not a lot
<nipos>
Maybe better to remove it from my PR and let someone more experienced handle that?Or keep the info outdated and only replace OpenBeOS with Haiku in the non-technical parts of the text (as it currently is)
<waddlesplash>
yeah, that's probably best
<nipos>
Done,also removed the line about the no longer available MidiUtil download
<waddlesplash>
ideally we should try to find that...
<AlienSoldier>
i inherited 2 "new computer: a 300PL IBM and an apple iMAc G5.
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<nagerst>
I wish i had a quad mac g5 in working order.
<nagerst>
to dual boot with. but morphos at a single core is faster than quad core OSX leopard in most instances as documented by luigi burdo on his youtube channel.
<nagerst>
perhaps morphos has smp by, now, but i do not really follow that project nor care for it.
<nagerst>
cool demos though
<gordonjcp>
what's morphos?
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<augiedoggie>
i didn't see anything in the parser code that would write it
<augiedoggie>
some odd abandoned BeOS feature
<augiedoggie>
must have been something in the storage kit
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* scanty
loves the file-splitting pane in Pe :-)
<scanty>
it helps when you are working on code over here, and over there.
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<phschafft>
I very much use multiple tabs of the same buffer in vim.
<phschafft>
so I think I can feel you. :)
<scanty>
vim... jeez, are you in the dark ages?
<scanty>
some people swear by it, but that's fine.
<phschafft>
let's say I'm missing that feature in IntellihJ.
<phschafft>
it supports tabs and splits, but not multible tabs of the same file.
<scanty>
ah i see.
<scanty>
i used emacs quite a lot in school
* phschafft
also thinks that he is way more into the future than most people in this channel. at least his vim is running 64 bit mode for now over 25 years
<scanty>
was running yellow dog linux on an apple iBook
<scanty>
it was fun
<scanty>
smoke, bbiaf
<phschafft>
I hear emacs is when you enjoy self-flagellation.
<Habbie>
surely emacs can do that for you
<phschafft>
but in the coffee-making-race vim won. it made the first cup of coffee of the two.
<Halian>
I just use micro when I need a CLI text editor; I mainly use Sublime Text
<phschafft>
plus, I hear people hate GNU so much (but it's worse in other channels that are of the same era as beos). so emacs must clearly be bad for... some reason!
<AlienSoldier>
geniodiabolico does the shutdown close the satellite laptop everytime? Mine not always and never my Acer Aspire one (annoying on both).
<AlienSoldier>
shutdown-pwer-off
<AlienSoldier>
*power
<AlienSoldier>
reset itself always work.
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<mikezt>
hello
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<geniodiabolico>
AlienSoldier : Sorry, I'm not following. Does shutdown close what? Thus far if I click the Shutdown->Power Off it does actually do it.
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<Anarchos>
i am annoyed by some 0xcc in values .....
<AlienSoldier>
geniodiabolico ok, there is not just one satellite model. Mine does not always shutdown, the processes sometime stop leting the blue background indefinitly, only does that on my 2 laptop, not on my desktop.
<AlienSoldier>
was hoping yours was doing it too, as it would have made someone to be able to look into this.
<AlienSoldier>
geniodiabolico is this a hypertread cpu in it?
<AlienSoldier>
At one point someone said it was because a cpu core is closed by another while it is handling the shutdown process and this was worked on but i still experience the problem.
<Anarchos>
AlienSoldier have trouble to shutdown some toshiba satellite ?
<AlienSoldier>
Anarchos yes, it does not always do it. And my acer aspire one never do. It look like a timming thing. The satelite close 2/3 of the time i would say.
<AlienSoldier>
the Acer can stay in blue, sometime in white. The Satellite pretty much always stay black but can sometime also say in blue.
<AlienSoldier>
*stay
<Anarchos>
AlienSoldier my satellite closes 1/5 . It is a C660D model, with an AMD C-50 CPU.
<AlienSoldier>
I got 3 free hardrive i was lacking for PC projects, i will dive eventually now into them and retest haiku on them.
<AlienSoldier>
from memory some where not closing also
<AlienSoldier>
but those are desktop.
<Anarchos>
Begasus[m] 4 days lost because i forgot to call 2 init methods :/
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<AlienSoldier>
made haiku hang by closing 3 cpu on 4 with pulse
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<AlienSoldier>
can do it fine now. mediaplayer was running and also falkon.
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* Anarchos
is finally able to identify bios drive id without touching the scsi driver :)