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<zebba[m]> Do the commits for OpenTracker go back all the way to when it was on perforce?
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<mrentropy64> Now I got NFS working
<kallisti5[m]> nfs should work pretty well. I think we have the last of the smap error bugs fixed
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<cleeb> woohoo, got haiku running and vision connected!
<cleeb> i love how fast it feels compared to modern OSes
<mrentropy64> Where is the proper place to put a mount point?
<mrentropy64> Hmm. Tracker thinks everything is an executable.
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<Skipp_OSX> so close...
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<shaka444[m]> Anybody here use a VPN with haiku?
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<nephele[x]> coldfirex: if ftpd really is only an old version from FreeBSD that might be a good case to put it into a package and ship that with releases instead of having it intree, there was a list of such to-do packages somewhere on trac but i forgot where :D
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<waddlesplash> nephele[x]: +1
<Skipp_OSX> I'm really close on Tracker thumb patch but I ran into an issue :/
<Skipp_OSX> also transparency in source image seems to increase the thumbnail file size so I may need to remove transparency from the source image before I convert it
<Skipp_OSX> images that don't have transparency are under the 3.5k limit but those with transparency go over
<Skipp_OSX> using webp
<nephele[x]> ouch, I'd probably be really confused if images with transparency would show up without jt though :)
<Skipp_OSX> without jt?
<nephele[x]> it*
<Skipp_OSX> oh well, yeah just in the thumb tho
<nephele[x]> Yes, but if i'd use it as a preview that would likely still be really confusing for me if i didn't know about it
<nephele[x]> maybe the image resolution can be reduced gradually until it fits?
<nephele[x]> what the hell is that 404 page
<Skipp_OSX> sorry tumblr takes a second to process images...
<nephele[x]> I have low motion mode on, but that background seems to be tiered to try and get one to be motion sick
<Skipp_OSX> sorry about thumbnail boobies
<nephele[x]> I only saw the 404 page, no worries :p
<nephele[x]> it makes me want to never follow a tumblr uri again
<nephele[x]> Your progress is great though, quite encouraging :D
<nephele[x]> I am not quite sure how the inode stuff works, but would putting the image in two attributes be a way to let it load larger images? is the 3.5k per inode or per attribute?
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* julicenri runs out to make more popcorn while reading the forums.
<julicenri> Current forum kerfuffle seems to have been started by user Null again, like the last time.
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<jessicah> and it's all so melodramatic for no reason
<rennj> is haiku drama as good as amiga drama that is the question
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<jt15s[m]> It's getting quite bad, someone was namecalling
<jt15s[m]> Thankfully it seems to be getting under control now
<jt15s[m]> * It got quite bad, someone was namecalling
<rennj> i read the posts, i think bsd's have homogeneous base anyway
<jt15s[m]> I was planning to post something regarding 20th Anniversary Merchandise today but seeing as how the forums have practically erupted I'll have to wait until everything settles down
<jt15s[m]> Plus, I'm also worried someone will get attacked like what happened last time
<jt15s[m]> We really don't want more people to have their contributions savaged by others
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<rennj> i save my anger for crapple m$ wintel google products..
<rennj> oracle cant forget those chuckleheads, destroyers of solaris/sunos
<bronzie94> ;)
<rennj> crapple,m$,market cap is insane, with amazon not far behind
<rennj> 2trillion m$ hit other day
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<rennj> all hail our corporate overlords. john brunner/william gibson/neal stephenson scifi predicting the future.
<jt15s[m]> How is this supposed to be relevant?
<jt15s[m]> Saw this on the forums
<jt15s[m]> Also, my goodness, this is really getting out of hand.
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<rennj> animal farm quote
<julicenri> An indirect way of claiming that someone is being Orwellian, often done so in bad faith.
<rennj> well that quote is more about totalitarianism in u.s.s.r., hierarchies and such. suppose software projects can get that way.
<rennj> few people at the top dictating rules for everyone else
<rennj> Benevolent dictator for life
<rennj> project founders who retain the final say in disputes or arguments within the community.
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<zackwolf> yo
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<jessicah> is this still that stupid thread on the forum?
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<julicenri> Yep.
<julicenri> Well, maybe?
<julicenri> Yeah it is, just checked again.
<PulkoMandy> is there another forum moderator around? Since I am a bit personally involved in the discussion now I don't want to close the thread myself
<jt15s[m]> Hmm, it seems there aren't any online
<yann64[m]> Good luck, guess we'll need a few days for emotions to "cool off"
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<nephele[x]> Jeez..
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<nielx[m]> I can do it as an admin, but I don't know if I have the 'authority' since I don't actively moderate
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<Diver> i'm not sure if i'm an admin there, i guess not?
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<nielx[m]> closed
<yann64[m]> thx
<PulkoMandy> Diver, I granted your moderator permissions, you indeed did not have them. You get access to the "staff" forum category in case you want to discuss things only with other moderators and admins
<Diver> great, thanks!
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<Kokito> Hello
<countryboy> hello beatiful japan
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<Kokito> Greetings :)
<countryboy> Greetings ... to you too ... :-)
<x512[m]> <nielx[m]> "closed" <- Is this about https://discuss.haiku-os.org/t/code-review-technical-decision-making-and-intent/11165/ ? Original problem is not closed at all.
<yann64[m]> This is about closing the flamewar, not closing the discussion on technicalities
<yann64[m]> Review on technical choice can continue
<yann64[m]> But it was ti heated-up
<yann64[m]> too
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<x512[m]> yann64[m]: I repeat again: the are nothing technical in selecting what machine code will be used for booting system. It is purely ideological thing. Technical things are implementing SMP, solving race conditions, optimizing code etc..
<x512[m]> Hardware don't care at all who is author of executed code: me and Haiku authors or u-boot/OpenSBI authors.
<yann64[m]> I can understand your point, you may actually be perfectly right, but you also have to be in other people position: this community has always had decisions based on discussions, and from what I understand some memebers need to discuss further
<yann64[m]> Also, I understand your frustration, but being part of a community is also being able to understand others frustration, like being talked to in red or capital letters may me percieved as aggressive
<yann64[m]> Again, we jeust need further time for discussing, not everyboduy is at you level of understanding
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<yann64[m]> In particular on the riscv64 subject, give the community time, you are good at it and understanably want to move quick, but the others need to at least have a good understanding that there are not shortfalls by adhering to a certain design choice
<yann64[m]> If things are obvious, situation will unlock quickly (but IMHO it is not vene locked)
<yann64[m]> Thanks again for you enormous contributions anyway
<x512[m]> One my points is that whole development and testing process is done on Haiku on real hardware. It will proof that Haiku can be stand alone first class citizen and not depend on Linux and Linux technologies. Unconditionally bringing Linux world boot loader u-boot also admit that Haiku is second class citizen and Linux is superior.
<x512[m]> Real RISC-V hardware it a different story: it is rational to just use official firmware provided by manufacturer like BIOS or UEFI on x86.
<PulkoMandy> can we stop bringing this subject everywhere on all communication channels?
<PulkoMandy> this discussion is not going anywhere and it's annoying everyone
<PulkoMandy> and as you said, there is nothing technical to discuss here, the code works, it's useful for you in some case, there is no real reason to not merge it
<PulkoMandy> that's all we care for
<x512[m]> PulkoMandy: After I get clarification from Waddlesplash. Well, I can be banned on all channels and go away from Haiku community.
<nephele[x]> banned for what?
<x512[m]> nephele[x]: For being annoying.
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<Not-5835> [haiku/website-inc] kallisti5 1fe2241 - meeting: Minutes submission, 2021-08-06 BoD meeting
<nephele[x]> The dramatization of this subject is slightly annoying, but that is hardly your fault
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<x512[m]> <nephele[x]> "The dramatization of this..." <- I feel that waddlesplash contract may force me go away from Haiku project if he will not stop block others effort.
<x512[m]> He said about porting 3D accelerations drivers some years ago, but I see no work at all at that direction.
<jessicah> x512[m]: you are totally misrepresenting the facts, he is not blocking merging your work
<x512[m]> jessicah: Why he do not clarify this and keep silence?
<nephele[x]> I honestly fail to see the problem, waddlesplash was merely asking for the issue to be discussed, the whole forum drama was unecesary and didn't change anything
<waddlesplash> x512[m]: I have clarified it.
<jessicah> he told you as much, granted he could have communicated it better on gerrit
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<waddlesplash> last night in the forums, here on IRC, etc.
<waddlesplash> and kallisti5 has done the same
<jessicah> we're going to get your work merged, just wanted some clarification about why something is done the way it is
<waddlesplash> jessicah: yes, indeed I probably could have explained better in Gerrit, but the explanation is now in the forums and discussed here on IRC
<yann64[m]> x512: just need patience, again and please don't be scared: nothing is blocked
<waddlesplash> x512[m]: yes, I haven't had any time to work on 3D drivers, but I don't think I've tried to stop anyone else from doing it
<waddlesplash> I've certainly had many technical comments on specific proposals from my prior research
<x512[m]> waddlesplash: I feel you will also reject this with -2. Dor example because I will make fully functional DRI syscalls over existing Haiku drivers.
<waddlesplash> but never have I said "please don't work on 3D drivers" or something like that, and I never intended to
<x512[m]> > <@_oftc_waddlesplash:matrix.org> x512: yes, I haven't had any time to work on 3D drivers, but I don't think I've tried to stop anyone else from doing it
<x512[m]> * I feel you will also reject this with -2. For example because I will make fully functional DRI syscalls over existing Haiku drivers.
<waddlesplash> if you manage to do that, and it is within 10-20% of Linux performance, I will be extremely impressed, and I'm definitely not going to block it "just because"
<waddlesplash> but, if even the BSDs decided to stop maintaining their own DRM drivers (even OpenBSD) and just use Linux ones, that should be a strong indication that it is not really feasible
<waddlesplash> in other words I think it is not the best use of time, but if you managed to do it, I'm at least not opposed in principle
<nephele[x]> I would be really happy with a haiku native 3d driver for one card, and to me relying on linux drivers seems dangerous
<waddlesplash> if on the other hand it winds up being millions of lines of code, just like the Linux drivers are, but different, then I would be hesitant to say we should merge that, because, well, Haiku is itself only about 3M lines, and to double that just for drivers is a huge maintenance burden
<nephele[x]> on FreeBSD i get constant kernel panics in linux dri code
<waddlesplash> I haven't seen any real evidence anywhere that it is genuinely possible to do the drivers without millions of lines
<waddlesplash> nephele[x]: yeah the FreeBSD ports are not great
<waddlesplash> anyway, I need to step out, be back in a few hours
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<nephele[x]> x512: I would be quite interested in haiku 3d drivers, I have documentation for the radeon gpu I have, but don't know where to start :p
<rennj> amdgpu in linux is huge!
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<kallisti5[m]> rennj: lol.. yeah. You should see Intel's driver
<nephele[x]> and it still didn't support my backlight *shrug*
<rennj> support their igpu and dgpu
<rennj> 2015-2021 hardware ..
<nephele[x]> linux driver code is a holy mess of indirection
<rennj> well it works have 100day uptime in xorg..no crashes
<rennj> which back in the day would have been a record
<rennj> fglrx closed source binary i ran till 2019..took 4 years before amdgpu was better
<nephele[x]> xorg is unrelated
<rennj> crashing x11 server cause of video driver are you kidding me
<jessicah> nephele[x]: oh, don't I know it... trying to decipher their HDA driver is complex...
<jessicah> Linux loves their insane web of macros
<jessicah> I guess that's what you get when you're limited to C
<nephele[x]> rennj: opengl in xorg is basically an exercise of how to bypass xorg
<Anarchos> hi jessicah , i pushed a pull request to let ocaml compile natively on haiku 64bits .
<Anarchos> jessicah which have been accepted :)
<jessicah> I saw that :)
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<rennj> mesa has locked up xorg before, with fglrx i had to have old version of xorg cause of ABI
<jessicah> I have been working on GHC, unfortunately 9.x no longer runs on 32-bit Haiku, weird crashes, probably broken relocations with PIC :-/
<rennj> glxgears locking
<jessicah> and doesn't compile for 64-bit, but that seems to be a long standing issue :-/
<rennj> plus besides old xorg, patch the kernel for fglrx cause they dropped support for later kernels
<rennj> https://i.imgur.com/DPQ7JyK.png 4.x with fglrx plenty of patching
<x512[m]> <nephele[x]> "x512: I would be quite intereste..." <- Well, I originally planed to finish basic RISC-V work, then start work on VideoStreams. My attempts on 3D accelerated drivers will be likely not in this year.
<x512[m]> <rennj> "crashing x11 server cause of..." <- Crashing x11 is much better than crashing kernel. I heard that most of video driver logic was in userland x11 modules before DRI was introduced. DRI feels like one step back.
<nephele[x]> Sounds good x512, the riscv patch already exposes many subtle bugs!
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<rennj> Dri2 and wayland, xorg is in maintenance mode now according redhat. how buggy will that be is the question. and forced on users. since redhat is main developers
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<rennj> valve's steam deck is wayland. i bet its going to do well. amd hardware too, w00t.
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<julicenri> Specifically, only the main non-desktop mode is publicly and officially known to be using Wayland (gamescope).
<julicenri> No official info yet on the desktop mode, although some have analysed the available footage showing it off and determined it to be using X11.
<julicenri> Would be interesting to see if Haiku can run on the Steam Deck day-one.
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<rennj> https://github.com/Plagman/gamescope/ guess it can use x11
<rennj> be cool to play with, if it doesnt rely on steam account,
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<rennj> was a good day in 2019 when amdgpu finally worked for my apu https://termbin.com/fnx3
<rennj> only took 4 years for this laptop to finally not suck
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<nephele[x]> dont see any immidiete problem with haiku on steam deck, guess well see
<rennj> like the GPD Win device someone in here had running haiku
<Niklas[m]> That was me with the GPD Win :) It runs but it has some driver problems.You should always expect that when trying too new hardware like the steam deck
<nephele[x]> Hard to tell before trying it, and the hw isnt available yet
<nephele[x]> the input devices will suck massively at the start presumeably though! we dont have steam controller support either
<Niklas[m]> Well,that depends on how it's implemented in the hardware.On the GPD Win,the Joystick-like control moves the mouse pointer and works out of the box with both Haiku and Linux.It may behave the same on the Steam Deck...or even totally different.I don't know as long as I haven't tried this thing.
<nephele[x]> doubtfull, as the steam controller has its own usb protocol
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<Niklas[m]> Well,that makes things more difficult.I didn't know anything about the specific hardware in the Steam Deck.In the GPD Win,the Joystick control is listed as USB mouse.
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<nephele[x]> The deck doesnt use the controller, and it is discontinued, but it is prior art from valve whcih i would say is related
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<cocobean> Mesa 21.0.3 - any major roadblocks still pending?
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<nephele[x]> The same as the last time you brought it up?
<cocobean> A showstopper?
<Niklas[m]> So you meant a completely different device by "controller"?I thought you meant those gaming controls on the Deck itself (photo coming)...
<nephele[x]> Yes cocobean, same as last time
<nephele[x]> Niklas: sorry yes, Steam Controller is a specific piece of hardware which valve had before :)
<nephele[x]> I don't know about the controlls on the steam deck
<Niklas[m]> I'm totally not a gamer and I hate this DRM piece of crap that Steam is so I had no idea that they already had other hardware before lol
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<nephele[x]> The steam controller is remapable (with the steam software) and has two flat digital trackpads for use in games, I really like it, I also have one but never wrote a haiku driver (also because i want to keep the input remapping stuff but am unsure how... on lin and win it was per app kinda, but worked terrible when switching apps, i would want to so better)
<nephele[x]> Honestly, if you dont care about gaming just dont get the steam pad, its overpriced for a just handheld x86 comp :)
<nephele[x]> (valve also made a high end VR headset before btw)
<Niklas[m]> I don't plan to get it,I'm just the guy with the GPD Win that tried to answer some hardware compatibility questions ;)
<nephele[x]> ah :)
<Niklas[m]> I use my GPD Win 90% for Word and Powerpoint stuff as portable device by the way :D
<nephele[x]> imagine a multi monitor haiku future... it could even do slides then ;)
<Niklas[m]> That would be great.
<Niklas[m]> But I was already impressed how good this can work with Linux nowadays.I plug in the HDMI,launch WPS Office and it just works out of the box.I didn't expect that when I held my first presentation with it xD
<Niklas[m]> I just did a search for this Steam Controller thing...If that's what you mean: https://www.gamestar.de/hardware/valve-steam-controller,854.html ...then I don't see a reason to connect it to the Deck as it already is a handheld device with own gaming controls.
<nephele[x]> No, there is no reason, The steam controller predates the steam deck by a couple of years by now... :) and valve is no longer manufacturing it
<nephele[x]> couldnt check your link, tries to force me into adteacking
<Niklas[m]> It's the same thing as in your picture
<nephele[x]> ok :)
<Niklas[m]> Sorry for the tracker wall,most German news pages have become crap and I didn't want to link to Amazon or Ebay 🙄
<nephele[x]> Its all DPA anyway *shrug*
<Niklas[m]> The tech news arent as far as I know
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<nephele[x]> not sure there, dont read much german tech news, maybe heise
<Niklas[m]> I read them much in the past.While you can clearly see that Heise,Golem,Winfuture and so on steal topics from each other,their articles are differently written and don't quote DPA as source.
<Niklas[m]> Today I'm a author,too but for a rather small FOSS blog ( https://gnulinux.ch ) and I know from there that we also write all articles ourselves,nothing comes from the DPA.I don't think tech stuff is relevant for them at all.
<nephele[x]> Oh, i came acros that site, they had a notice about beta3 beeing released in the future
<Niklas[m]> It was probably written by me :D
<nephele[x]> (it's hard to read for me on the desktop though, lacking a dark mode :/)
<nephele[x]> on the phone i can invert colors but i dont have that on haiku
<Niklas[m]> Thanks,I'll pass that feedback to our web devs
<Niklas[m]> I think you meant this article,correct? https://gnulinux.ch/haiku-r1-beta-3-soll-in-etwa-einem-monat-erscheinen
<Niklas[m]> I often report about things that are happening here but the most recent one is this: https://gnulinux.ch/haiku-macht-grossen-sprung-auf-beta-3
<nephele[x]> Yes, I had added it to https://dev.haiku-os.org/wiki/R1/Beta3/InThePress
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<Niklas[m]> Thanks :D
<cocobean> nephele: I'd expect that it was voted on to block it by several people.
<nephele[x]> I expect your patches to not break my computer, especially when I specifically told you before that it is broken, my ticket has been open for literal months and nobody investigated it, how exactly did the situation improve?
<cocobean> YOu resort to insults and degradation versus a valid statement?
<cocobean> Interesting.
<nephele[x]> Expecting patches to not break my computer is an insult now?
<cocobean> Still not facts.
<nephele[x]> Niklas: I have added the proper news item to inthepress :)
<cocobean> Patches for key devs broke my computer... so where is your beewf?
<cocobean> :D
<nephele[x]> Did you review the patches to indicate their brokeness?
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<nephele[x]> You still did not answer the question: How exactly has mesa21 improved in the last months that it can now be merged while still having blocking issues where it couldn't before?
<cocobean> Yes... did U report your issue to Mesa team?
<nephele[x]> Why would i report a haiku specific bug to mesa? all haiku devs read the haiku bugtracker, and they are the only ones that work on it
<cocobean> I asked U if it was VOTED.
<cocobean> Meaning there was a careful review and consideration... that is it.... not a YOU versus ME debate... get it?
<nephele[x]> You are free to ask, and I am free to ignore questions based on fallacies, merges are blocked by technical issues, not by forum polls
<cocobean> based on fallacies of ?
<nephele[x]> Not sure why you want to take this personally, you specifically asked if there are blocking issues and i told you there still were, like the last 3 times or so you brought it up
<nephele[x]> you even commented on the ticket yourself
<cocobean> based on fallacies of ?
<Vidrep_64> Hi
<Vidrep_64> Sorry to interrupt your dispute ;)
<PulkoMandy> hey what's with everyone fighting over things this week?
<Vidrep_64> COVID-19 agitation
<Coldfirex> too many feelz
<PulkoMandy> approaching new moon, too, or whatever, but I think we can behave in civilized manners still?
<Coldfirex> I hope so. Its non-productive and off-putting
<Vidrep_64> PulkoMandy, when I try to build Haiku from source I keep getting build failures. jam -q -j4 @nightly-anyboot - fail jam -q -j4 @anyboot-image - "Build profile anyboot-image not defined" jam -q -j4 @nightly-raw - working
<Niklas[m]> I agree.I read trough the whole RISC-V fight today because I thought I could learn something about RISC-V and low-level stuff by that but instead I just wasted the time I could have used for correctly setting up my new laptop or writing a review about beta 3 :(
<Vidrep_64> What am I doing wrong, or are the build instructions out of date?
<PulkoMandy> anyboot-image does not exist, that sounds correct (if there are still docs referencing it, please tell us so we can remove it)
<nephele[x]> I am slightly annoyed at the same issue beeing brought up over and over, I like debating, but I don't like rehashing the same stuff again and again, maybe my tone was a little agitated, if so I apologize, but I don't think I insulted anyone
<cocobean> Accepted. No harm done. ;)
<PulkoMandy> if the raw version is working I assume that some of the tools specific for anyboot are failing. This could be missing host tools (you need xorriso installed to generate the ISO9660 filesystem for example) or it could be a problem with using the wrong buildtools for the EFI loader on a 64bit system
<nephele[x]> Niklas: The news article was thorough, looking forward to the review, tell us all the broken parts :p
<PulkoMandy> (building from 64bit haiku, you need to use --build-cross-tools, and you can't use the existing haiku buildtools to build an anyboot image)
<Vidrep_64> Building cross tools always works correctly. It's generating an image that fails
<Vidrep_64> xorriso was missing on my system
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<nephele[x]> cocobean: I was apologizing if I came across as agitated, but I certainly didn't insult you. The nice thing to do night be to apologize in turn for your somewhat rude choice of words :)
<Vidrep_64> Maybe that should be added to the documentation for building Haiku
<nephele[x]> might*
<Vidrep_64> I just installed it. I'll try building again
<Niklas[m]> Thanks for the good feedback,nephele :D There's nothing broken by the way.In fact,I can use Haiku on some devices now that didn't work before,even if not all drivers are available.
<Niklas[m]> And I got a response for the dark theme request: Someone recommends using the Dark Reader Addon,that seems to work quite good.I know that browser addons aren't available on Haiku but I doubt they will make changes to the website for a niche OS
<nephele[x]> Tell them that dark reader is an unusable hack?
<nephele[x]> dark mode is a css media querry, it has nothing to do with haiku, safari supports it, as does chromium and firefox
<nephele[x]> we are just a bit late to the party :)
<Niklas[m]> I know but our old Bludit theme is even later to the party,I guess.
<nephele[x]> It's likely just some css to add, haiku-os.org dark mode took me about one or two days as someone with only very little prior cas usage
<Niklas[m]> They would probably accept a patch if I write it but I have to find some free time for it.
<Coldfirex> Vidrep_64: send me the documentation link and what needs to be added and I will work up a pull request
<nephele[x]> I made a little "blog" post about the feature: https://www.gryphno.de/nep/blog/web-dark.html
<nephele[x]> They don't have to add one of course, but as I am photophobic I'll just not use the website because it physically hurts :)
<Niklas[m]> Yeah,it's just a CSS @media query,quite trivial.The more complicated thing is convincing the project lead to merge my changes lol
<nephele[x]> [Accesibility]
<nephele[x]> good luck in any case :D
<Niklas[m]> Thanks,I'll try my best
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<Niklas[m]> They say that it will get accepted if it looks good.I'll do it tomorrow.
<nephele[x]> Awesome :), I'm certainly available if you want some pointers (though I am no expert)
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<Niklas[m]> I'm a web developer so that's not a big task for me but thanks anyway ;)
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<nephele[x]> Ah, nevermind then :p
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<beaglejoe> Vidrep_64,Coldfirex: https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/17161 has link to page
<Coldfirex> thanks
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<Coldfirex> Nephele: I was simply posting in forums to get more visibility for others that might not view the bug tracker that often. I am fine with keeping the discussion in the ticket.
<nephele[x]> why does visibility matter? devs read the bugtracker :)
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<Vidrep_64> For whatever reason cloning Haiku isn't working git clone https://review.haiku-os.org/haiku
<kallisti5[m]> Vidrep_64: whats your remote url?
<Coldfirex> Isnt it "git clone https://github.com/haiku/haiku"
<Coldfirex> or git clone "ssh://User@git.haiku-os.org/haiku"
<Vidrep_64> This is what I've always used in the past without issues
<kallisti5[m]> Vidrep_64: It's working here for me.. ```git clone https://review.haiku-os.org/haiku```
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<rmendoza> I am having issue with having no sound on an Intel HDA. I have the FreeBSD pciconf -lvv output if that would help.
<tqh> reporting a bug with as much detail as possible is good way to help. Don't worry too much about reporting duplicates.
<rmendoza> Okay. I'll make a bug report. Thank you.
<tqh> For us getting good feedback is very important, so thank you for doing it.
<rmendoza> I noticed a lot of the device information was already in the driver on github. I didnt know if maybe a setting was incorrect, or whatever.
<tqh> It is always good to report it, and the developer(s) may close it as a duplicate, but it might be very useful information.
<JeremyF[m]> rmendoza: which device is it?
<rmendoza> It's a Intel 6 Series/C200 Series Chipset. It's a second generation i3.
<JeremyF[m]> Vendor: 8086, device:?
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<rmendoza> 0x1c20
<rmendoza> Sorry. I was trying to verify my email address.
<JeremyF[m]> Hum.. not the same as mine
<JeremyF[m]> My Intel HDA doesn't work either
<rmendoza> It's listed in the driver. That's why I was curious if it was something on my end.
<JeremyF[m]> Does it change with cold boot, or from rebooting from a working system?
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<rmendoza> No. Unfortunatly it just doesn't work. It is recognized by the mixer. It just doesn't ouput anything. Neither speakers nor headphones.
<JeremyF[m]> Same here
<tqh> Please report, and don't take any meaning to it being a duplicate or lack of info. If we do not get reports, we can't improve.
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<rmendoza> It's been posted. Thank you. I love the OS. The sound is the only thing keeping it from my daily driver.
<tqh> Nice, we are still a small team doing this in spare hours. But the first step is to have good info..
<rmendoza> I've been looking at the HDA driver files, but everything checks out. It should work.
<rmendoza> It's probably some weird codec thing.
<waddlesplash> there are an awful lot of chips this is true on
<waddlesplash> so it is probably something rather significant
<tqh> Back in the days, my soundblaster was too (or not) loud in BeOS. At some point I figured out it was an amplifier setting, because back then manuals had all registers. And that was some off my first work for BeOS..
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<rmendoza> Maybe, I'll just keep it on ye olde Intel M, circa 2005.
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<rennj> you tried the haikudepot opensound driver?
<rennj> hdaudio in vmware works with that driver and not the one in base haiku
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<rmendoza> I did try opensound. It added tons of audio sliders, but I don't remember it working any better. But, I did try it quite a while ago.
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<jessicah> it really comes down to the codec in use
<jessicah> codecs especially, can have lots of quirks, and our HDA driver is severely lacking in that area
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<jessicah> on my long todo list of stuff to work on :p
<mrentropy64> I appreciate your work on the EUFI/EFI stuff.
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<jessicah> it was a fun project :) my friends helped me out heaps, particularly around mmu & smp
<jessicah> and tqh got us started :)
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<beaglejoe> Hi all, where to put a home-made app_server so it will be used?
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<Vidrep_64> kallisti5, I booted into my Beta 3 partition and tried a git clone there. It took 3 tries before it worked.
<Vidrep_64> If I do a git clone of buildtools (or anything else) it works fine. Only the main haiku repo ia an issue. Any thoughts on what it may be?
<Vidrep_64> *is
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<Vidrep_64> kallisti5, I got it working by adding a port git clone https://review.haiku-os.org:443/haiku
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