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<B2IA> (Zillo) Good evenning. I need your help once more. I manage to boot Haiku OS on my PC, but it after it loads all the icons in the boot proccess, it turns the screen off and it doesn't come back.
<B2IA> (Zillo) I have a Radeon RX570 8GB video card.
<B2IA> (MrEntropy32) Try holding down the space bar while Haiku boots. This should bring you to a menu. Under one of the options will be a spot where you can select "Use fail safe video drive" or somethng similar. Select that, then continue to boot and see if that works.
<B2IA> (MrEntropy32) *drive = driver
<B2IA> (Zillo) OK. Let me do that, one min.
<B2IA> (MrEntropy32) Oh, you have to hold the spacebar down before the icons show up.
<B2IA> (MrEntropy32) I think left Shift button will do the same.
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<B2IA> (Zillo) With space ar pressed the boot loader is on screen
<B2IA> (Zillo) Yes, it is working
<B2IA> (Zillo) Nice
<B2IA> (Zillo) there are 16 core tracks on Pulse.
<B2IA> (Zillo) WOW
<mrentropy64> A 64 core Threadripper would probably be an experience.
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<B2IA> (Zillo) So, I installed it on a partition in my SSD, but it is not showing in my BIOS. I have to use the Flash Drive to boot and enter the haiku bootloader and there boot mypartition.
<B2IA> (Zillo) I also don't have ethernet connection and this machine is connected by ethernet port
<mrentropy64> Does your SSD happen to have a small partition on it, formatted in exFAT or FAT32?
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<HaikuUser> huh wow
<HaikuUser> haiku is neeeeat
<B2IA> (Zillo) I have a not formated (microsoft Reserved) 15.98 Mib, a Haiku_HD and a Ext2.
<B2IA> (Zillo) Do I have to create a FAT32 to install bootloader on it?
<HaikuUser> I wonder if anyone has ever dailied Be
<mrentropy64> If Haiku was on it's own drive, I would say yes. However, I honestly don't know how it works in your situation.
<B2IA> (Zillo) After I created and formated the Be File System, I installed Haiku on it. I also went to the Tools menu in the Installer and wrote the boot sector in the Haiku.
<B2IA> (Zillo) When I select Tools>Set up boot menu, it says my drive has imcompatible format.
<jessicah> are you booting with efi or csm?
<B2IA> (Zillo) EFI
<jessicah> if efi, you need to copy the haiku_loader.efi to your efi system partition, which is usually fat formatted
<jessicah> look for the partition that contains a bootx64.efi file
<jessicah> it'll be like /efi/boot/bootx64.efi
<jessicah> oh man, peewee herman... that's going back a looong time
<B2IA> (Zillo) I left a 3gb free partition, what parttion type should I use? there many to choose from.
<jessicah> efi system partition
<B2IA> (Zillo) ok
<jessicah> one should generally already exist, quite unusual that you don't have one
<B2IA> (Zillo) What do I call it?
<jessicah> and format it with fat file system
<jessicah> it doesn't matter, ESP is fine
<B2IA> (Zillo) Doesnt matter?
<B2IA> (Zillo) ok
<jessicah> but the fact that you don't have one might brick booting another OS if you have one installed
<B2IA> (Zillo) and now I format it as FAT32?
<jessicah> yes
<jessicah> then mkdir -p efi/boot on that partition, then copy haiku_loader.efi to efi/boot/bootx64.efi
<B2IA> (Zillo) in this HD I have Manjaro Linux in another partition
<jessicah> oh, then copy it without renaming
<jessicah> else it'll find your new bootx64.efi, and default to that, and then you might not be able to easily boot into linux
<jessicah> I'd make efi/haiku/haiku_loader.efi on your esp, then your uefi bootloader in theory should find it
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<B2IA> (Zillo) in Tools, do I write the boot sector the Haiku partition?
<B2IA> (Zillo) in Tools>Set up boot menu, still says Incompaible format.
<jessicah> it's not needed with uefi
<B2IA> (Zillo) Is say Boot sector successfully writen.
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<B2IA> (Zillo) the BIOS can't see the Haiku partition
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<jessicah> maybe you're not booting with uefi...
<B2IA> (Zillo) I turned on CSM to see Legacy, it still doesn't see the Haiku partition
<jessicah> hmm, I'm not sure
<jessicah> you have a weird setup :-/
<jessicah> I personally use refind for uefi multiboot
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<Skipp_OSX> jessicah can you upvote my 2px patch now?
<Skipp_OSX> I rounded checked
<Skipp_OSX> many font sizes
<Skipp_OSX> ceil works just as good because of / 2
<Skipp_OSX> tracker_thumb should go imho but I guess somebody else should check on 32-bit
<jessicah> link
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<jt15s[m]> jessicah: link to @Skipp_OSX's patch: https://review.haiku-os.org/c/haiku/+/4333
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<jessicah> I had found it :)
<jessicah> when I noticed he'd disappeared, decided to be a little less lazy :p
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<nephele[x]> Wonderbrush v3 compiles and runs for me, but the margians in the UI are HUUUGE
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<jessicah> there's a new wonderbrush? :o
<nephele[x]> Lol... atleast the scrollbars breaking was my fault, partially
<nephele[x]> jessicah: Well WonderBrush V3 has been in dev for some time, but it's not perfectly ready yet :)
<jessicah> I didn't know a source code for wonderbrush had happened
<nephele[x]> WonderBrush v2 has been open for some time
<jessicah> hmm
<nephele[x]> V3 is a complete rewrite
<jessicah> I was sure there was no wonderbrush for x86_64
<jessicah> mind you, I've been gone for a while
<nephele[x]> There way, it crashed on saving, it was removed, it was fixed, and readded to amd64 :)
<nephele[x]> (is stippi in irc?)
<jessicah> yep
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<skirst> hi all, new here... first experience with beos was r4.5, bought a hard copy from a bestbuy in the late 90's (showing my age a bit lol)
<nephele[x]> jessicah: as which user? :3
<jessicah> look in the other channel
<skirst> just thought i'd share, i've recently ported a DAW i've been working on over the years to Haiku to much success. It's Qt5 based, so the heavy lifting was already done. I just had to write audio and midi backends for it. Which was really easy!
<skirst> it's a virtual analog modular synth, similar to VCVRack
<skirst> i'll be releasing the code in due time!
<nephele[x]> Neat
<skirst> thanks!
<skirst> i gotta say, i love haiku's meda and midi kits. so easy to work with. still learning though
<skirst> *media
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<bronzie94> skirst - that looks awesome :)
<skirst> thanks bronzie94
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<Begasus> 'lo peeps
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<zdykstra> hola
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<Begasus> hi zdykstra
<Begasus> anythin new this last week?
<zdykstra> Can't say that there is for me. You?
<jessicah> ello Begasus
<Begasus> hi jessicah ! :)
<Begasus> didn't have time for Haiku/haikuports this week, not really anything new here
<jessicah> I have been slowly chipping away at golang
<Begasus> Got your build system setup jessicah ?
<jessicah> which one? :)
<Begasus> both? ;)
<jessicah> compiling for golang, ghc, .net are all configured and working okay, for where I'm not stuck
<jessicah> still stuck with libunwind, I have some ideas there though
<jessicah> ghc is ghc.. a nightmare, but it compiles, minus the occasional crashes :p
<jessicah> golang is mostly just time consuming figuring out the library binding craziness
<jessicah> the go1.4 port helps a small amount, but it's just diverged so significantly
<jessicah> but like darwin & openbsd go via libc, so it should make it easier for an updated haiku port... in theory :)
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<Begasus> in theory :)
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<nephele[x]> syscall bindings in libc should work fine i think
<nephele[x]> iirc someone deving a language complained that we generate the list of syscalls and expect the boundary in the libc stubs
<Not-5726> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-0/±0] https://git.io/JEvrq
<Not-5726> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 9d1368f - qrcode, new recipe (#6126)
<Not-5726> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+4/-0/±0] https://git.io/JEvrZ
<Not-5726> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 4b71e89 - backport (tempfile and weakref) new recipes (#6127)
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<Begasus> extrowerk, alive?
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<Begasus> hi grim :)
<Begasus> hi countryboy
<grim> o/
<countryboy> hi Begasus !!!
<Begasus> extrowerk, wanted to see if we can upstream your patch to pidgin (for libpurple), grim is one of the maintainers
<grim> i'm working the patch into our review process and just needed to double check on what name you want credited for the commit/copyright
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<Begasus> Heading out, bbl
<Begasus> cu peeps
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<B2IA> (Zillo) Good morning to all.
<B2IA> (Zillo) Yesterday my attempt to install Haiku did not worked as planed because I was doing so things wrong.
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<B2IA> (Zillo) On my PC I have two hard drives, on drive 1 it has Windows 10 and the boot loader (GRUB) for a Manjaro Linux 21.1.0 that is in a partition on Drive 2.
<B2IA> (Zillo) I created a partition for Haiku on Drive 2 and after that I installed Haiku on it.
<B2IA> (Zillo) I installed Haiku 64-bit, I tried to install the 32-bit version but the BIOS did not "see" the boot partition on the Flash Drive. Maybe I should enable CSM on the BIOS for that to work.
<B2IA> (Zillo) Thinking forward, BeOS is dead, so should be the 32-bit version. Well, I installed the 64-bit to "match" almost all OSs today that are 64-bit.
<B2IA> (Zillo) From what I learned I can configure the Manjaro GRUB to launch Haiku on Drive 2.
<B2IA> (Zillo) On Haiku internet page, I saw that I can use GRUB and there are instruction to configure GRUB v1 and GRUB v2.
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<Not-5726> [haikuports/haikuports] threedeyes pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±0] https://git.io/JEfxk
<Not-5726> [haikuports/haikuports] threedeyes e0895bc - QtHaikuPlugins: bump version
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<B2IA> (Zillo) Now I need to try to apply this configuration to the Manjaro GRUB.
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<skirst> B2IA, have you tried a manual EFI install? that's what i did. i boot haiku 64-bit off a usb drive enclosure. works great!
<Coldfirex_> B2IA - good luck!
<Coldfirex_> Does this link actually work for anyone? It used to pull up a Haiku LI group. https://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=165215
<countryboy> i know MBR ...
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<countryboy> cu
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<mrentropy64> Coldfirex_: Does not seem to work for me.
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<mrentropy64> I don't see any Haiku groups on LinkedIn, except one for tiny and Linux-free operating systems.
<Coldfirex_> thanks
<mrentropy64> Also, LinkedIn gets stuck on Web+ after signing in.
<Coldfirex_> I sent in a PR to get that page updated
<Coldfirex_> It's that built-in social media blocking of Web+ ;)
<mrentropy64> I guess. Twitter doesn't work for me, either. All i get is a page with the Twitter logo.
<mrentropy64> I never did get a verification email from h2g2. I wonder if they do it manually?
<BrunoSpr> hello all... Twitter works nice on 64bit Beta 3 here...
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<mrentropy64> BrunoSpr: That's what I've got here. Actually, I have 64-bit on two machines and it does the same thing on both.
<BrunoSpr> if you get the twitter logo you have to login first, after that Web+ will connect automatically to twitter
<mrentropy64> But... it does work on my virtal 64-bit Beta3
<mrentropy64> It lets me login. Then it goes to the bird logo. If I got to the login page now, it goes there then jumps to the bird logo.
<mrentropy64> Maybe it's a cache thing.
<PulkoMandy> that would be strange, as there is no cache implemented :)
<mrentropy64> Then I don't know. I moved all the settings out of the folder and tried and it still does the same thing.
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<mrentropy64> The VM has more WebpageIcons files. Otherwise, they look the same.
<mrentropy64> The only difference is that the VM is a new install of B3, while the two hardware ones are upgrades.
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<mrentropy64> Frustrating.
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<nephele[x]> PulkoMandy: do we also have something like a css template for gopher display?
<nephele[x]> like the directory view template
<PulkoMandy> the gopher protocol handler pretends to the browser that it's all html
<PulkoMandy> and it has an hardcoded stylesheet
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<PulkoMandy> that's for gopher listings, other things are rendered as plaintext using webkit code for rendering plaintext, I don't know how the styling for that works
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<nephele[x]> Thanks, I can work a bit on dark styling... though hardcoding is a bit meh. Though I think the "nice" solution is simply using css forced colors when we have support for that (if we have support moreso... webkit doesn't yet)
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<Coldfirex_> I was reviewing our coding guide and noticed it said to express sentiments like "this is a hack". Any issue with me cleaning up references to stuff like this (hack -> workaround) as well as curse words?
<Coldfirex_> *it said no to express
<Coldfirex_> not
<nephele[x]> What do you mean specifically? usually we don't want hacks in our code at all :), (and cleaning cursewords seems to be a sysphus task with the meaning changing, somehow IDE slave and IDE master is becoming a curse word or perceived as such now...)
<nephele[x]> It only seems to mention that because it is nondescriptive... only saying you think it is a hack, but not what you think is wrong with it actually
<PulkoMandy> Coldfirex_, that's not what the coding guidelines says
<Coldfirex_> well, we have a mix of both legitamate uses of 'hack'. Some where it describes the actual issues, and others that just say 'this is a hack'
<PulkoMandy> it says that writing just "this is a hack" and not explaining why it is is a problem, because the next person reading the code may not understand what the problem is and why the solution is not right
<Coldfirex_> I understand. We have both
<PulkoMandy> I don't think replacing "hack" with "workaround" will help with that, it's more about documenting things and giving more context
<Coldfirex_> 10-4
<Coldfirex_> What about the cursing?
<PulkoMandy> I don't think the coding style says anything about it. I tend to avoid it especially when it's insulting someone (a common case would be people writing drivers being unhappy with the job of the hardware designers)
<Coldfirex_> It doesnt mention is specifically. I just got curious and started searching for them
<nephele[x]> 458
<nephele[x]> ~/proj/haiku rg linux | wc -l
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<nephele[x]> Also want to change the "no page" color... and the background for image displays, I don't suppose you have pointers for those aswell? :)
<PulkoMandy> no, don't know where all of that is set
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<nephele[x]> Attached a report for the freezing issue
<Begasus> jadedctrl, around?
<jadedctrl> yea, right here o/
<Begasus> ;)
<Begasus> still having the issue for libperl on libpurple, it will be ok on the buildmaster, but still think this should be fixed
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<Begasus> any one else, perl is gcc2 atm, chat-o-matic/libpurple are gcc8 so I'm still hitting a POLICY ERROR: can't find used library "libperl.so" on 32bit
<jadedctrl> isn't libperl the internal bit for libpurple?
<Begasus> not sure, the build is ok without lib:libperl (when not running in strickt mode)
<Begasus> does it really rely on libperl or on the cmd:perl?
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<Begasus> There is no "lib:libperl$secondaryArchitecture" so we have to remove the latter, but I'm guessing that on 32bit the mix between primary and secondary arch gives the policy error (that doesn't happen on 64bit)
<Begasus> secondaryArchSuffix*
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<Begasus> heading down here, cu peeps!
<Not-5726> [haikuports/haikuports] pulkomandy pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-0/±0] https://git.io/JEURF
<Not-5726> [haikuports/haikuports] pulkomandy 1da404f - teensy_loader_cli: new recipe.
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<Not-5726> [haikuports/haikuports] mmuman pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-2/±0] https://git.io/JEUum
<Not-5726> [haikuports/haikuports] mmuman f86972e - confclerk: bump version
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<lelldorin> hi all
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<Vidrep_64> Hi lelldorin
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<nephele[x]> Anyone use IMAP on haiku?
<mrentropy64> Not I, says me.
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<jadedctrl> I do, says I
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