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<dcatt>
just an FYI, I noticed this evening that search for https://www.haiku-os.org/docs/api/ doesn't work... looks to be a JavaScript issue
<dcatt>
I wasn't sure if it was already known or not
<dcatt>
any recommendations for accessing GitHub.com via Haiku using a web browser?
<dcatt>
Web+ and Otter don't work
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<zdykstra>
It's worked for me in Web+ recently. What part doesn't work for you?
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<Not-5726>
[haikuports/haikuports] threedeyes pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-2/±1] https://git.io/JEspK
<Not-5726>
[haikuports/haikuports] sikmir 113f664 - GPXSee: bump to 9.5
<Not-5726>
[haikuports/haikuports] threedeyes pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-2/±0] https://git.io/JEsp6
<Not-5726>
[haikuports/haikuports] sikmir 94684d7 - lagrange: bump to 1.6.4
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<Niklas[m]>
Github works fine for me in Otter.It complains that my browser is outdated,but as long as everything works I don't care.
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<Diver>
rennj: i wonder what app do you use for memory breakdown on your screenshot?
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<rennj>
gmemusage
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<rennj>
Gmemusage is modelled after the program of the same name on Silicon Graphics' workstations. Gmemusage graphically displays the contents of memory on a running system, broken up by individual processes.
<rennj>
nedit and gmemusage both come from sgi
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<Diver>
rennj: thanks! will check it out
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<countryboy>
hello
<mrentropyvcs>
hi
<countryboy>
hi mrentropyvcs
<countryboy>
entropy is grooving ?
<nephele>
Entropy is responsible for the heat death of the universe
<countryboy>
let's put it in order
<mrentropyvcs>
I just think everyone should slow down and relax.
<nephele>
Yes, relax on the couch to delay the inevitable end
<countryboy>
fantasies ...
<mrentropyvcs>
The garbage guys came early, so I'm stoked about that. Now I don't have to go outside again.
<countryboy>
if chaos increases, we put the world in order
<nephele>
Yes, I was already here before you mrentropyvcs :)
<countryboy>
we sow trees ...
<countryboy>
co2 => o2 + c
<mrentropyvcs>
You ain't garbage, man.
<nephele>
I work in garbage, I hope you didn't mean garbage guys as an instult ;)
<countryboy>
pc apps => garbage in , garbage out ...
<mrentropyvcs>
Not me. I love my collectors and the company.
<mrentropyvcs>
One week I got skipped and I called to ask about it (thinking maybe they moved the day), and the person on the phone took it very seriously and personally, promising a pick up right away. I was like, no, no, it can wait. No worries.
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<countryboy>
pc apps => diamond in, diamond out ...
<mrentropyvcs>
I don't know if I should try and re-remember C++, or try and figure out Yab.
<countryboy>
mrentropyvcs: freedom ...
<mrentropyvcs>
Could you explain that?
<countryboy>
let's have a referendum
<Not-5726>
[haiku/website] pulkomandy pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-0/±0] https://git.io/JEc42
<mrentropyvcs>
I converted an old BASIC game called Dungeon of Danger to Python, then wrote it in Yab. I'm fairly happy with it.
<countryboy>
i love freebasic => consolle ... gambas => graphics
<mrentropyvcs>
Neither of which are on Haiku, as far as I know.
<countryboy>
freedom ...
<countryboy>
gambas = a fish ...
<mrentropyvcs>
I thought it was shrimp.
<countryboy>
yes, shrimp
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<mrentropyvcs>
Now haikuporter is causing stack overflow errors.
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<B2IA>
(Zillo) Hello. Please, my PC has an Intel Ethernet Connection I225-V chipset? Haiku doesn't recognize it it. Is there hope for a future support?
<waddlesplash>
appears FreeBSD added a driver for that chipset last month
<waddlesplash>
please open a ticket and I'll take a look ~soon
<mrentropyvcs>
Is it something I misconfigured that causes Python to have a stack overflow after extracting files for haikuporter?
<B2IA>
(Zillo) Ok, thank you waddlesplash.
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<mrentropyvcs>
I guess it's just atari++ with an issue.
<Not-5726>
[haiku/website] pulkomandy pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://git.io/JEc2e
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<mrentropyvcs>
Where does one write bugs for haikuports related things?
<B2IA>
(AGMS) mrentropyvcs HaikuPorts bug reports go on Github as issues for the project there.
<B2IA>
(AGMS) Or if you know who is working on a particular project, you can e-mail them.
<exit70[m]>
what file system type should I use for haiku? I don't see an obvious one in Linux cfdisk
<B2IA>
(Zillo) waddlesplash I created the ticket for the I225-V as you said.
<mrentropyvcs>
AGMS: Thanks!
<mrentropyvcs>
exit70[m]: Be File System or BeFS
<B2IA>
(Zillo) Is there a good weather app for Haiku?
<mrentropyvcs>
No, you're stuck with random weather, just like the rest of us :D
<B2IA>
(Zillo) oh. One app the I liked very much is KeePassXC.
<rennj>
curl wttr.in/:help
<rennj>
curl fr.wttr.in/Paris
<B2IA>
(Zillo) It works well on Haiku. Because of it I installed in Manjaro Linux nd my Mac OS.
<rennj>
curl wttr.in/Moon
<B2IA>
(Zillo) There is ansiweather a script to show the weather in terminal
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<exit70[m]>
I am not seeing haiku_loader.efi in (/boot)/system/data/platform_loaders from the beta3 live cd
<rennj>
wget wttr.in/uk.png why not graphics
<exit70[m]>
also is there a 32-bit efi version?
<exit70[m]>
32 bit x86 live cd to be clear
<mrentropyvcs>
You can grab the EFI file from the (no name) partition on the installer media. There is a 32-bit live CD, but I don't know if it supports EFI.
<waddlesplash>
EFI is only supported on 64-bit x86
<exit70[m]>
but why? is it a "patch welcome" at least?
<waddlesplash>
32-bit EFI BIOSes are very rare, and most people use 64bit anyway these days, so the effort was never expended
<waddlesplash>
my understanding is that 32-bit kernel start is somehow more involved
<exit70[m]>
early intel Macs use 32-bit efi. I was interested in getting haiku 32-bit running on a MacBook 2,1 (the cpu is 64 bit capable but firmware is 32 bit)
<exit70[m]>
if anyone is interested I could send you a fully upgraded Mac mini 2,1 which is also 32-bit efi
<rennj>
legacy bios
<rennj>
32bit is like 1995 tech
<rennj>
64bit sun sparc creator/ultra1. pa-risc is ancient
<exit70[m]>
lmao wait until you find out steam windows/linux is 32 bit
<exit70[m]>
in 2030
<rennj>
yeah why i run vmware winblows10 for gaming vm
<rennj>
dont need no lib32 foobar for wine
<rennj>
4-8GB of vram for accelerated video is nice, directx to opengl acceleration
<rennj>
stream deck, kde proton foobar is only place i would allow that
<rennj>
steam
<exit70[m]>
more seriously let me try grub 2 later. grub 2 does have 32-bit efi version
<rennj>
ventroy usb dongle
<rennj>
Ventoy is an open source tool to create bootable USB drive for ISO/WIM/IMG/VHD(x)/EFI files.
<rennj>
With ventoy, you don't need to format the disk over and over, you just need to copy the ISO/WIM/IMG/VHD(x)/EFI files to the USB drive and boot them directly.
<exit70[m]>
never worked on intel Macs from my experience
<rennj>
crapple!
<rennj>
wintel crapple is to be avoided
<rennj>
amd / opensauce to be embraced
<exit70[m]>
amd is too expensive
<rennj>
my 2015 hp pavillion was only 400 bucks..16GB of ram, 500GB ssd was another 210.00
<rennj>
less than 650 for 4core/4thread 16GB and 500GB sata ssd, in 2015
<rennj>
course now with the chip shortage,
<rennj>
$1500 for amd ryzen 8core craptop
<rennj>
32GB of ram, but ill want 64
<exit70[m]>
old MacBooks costs like 50 or less if you know where to look ...
<rennj>
dont care about crapple hardware, its to be avoided
<rennj>
amd ryzen craptop from asus probably next laptop
<mrentropyvcs>
I hated Apple. Until I bought one.
<rennj>
this laptop i have now in oldest ive run, usually replaced every 2 years, i have had this one 5 years
<rennj>
i could have bought crapple in the 70's
<exit70[m]>
just make sure you could find replacement battery 10 years later
<rennj>
i fixed back in 2016 with i8042.dumbkbd kernel option
<rennj>
was maddening, to have keypresses not register or mess up
<rennj>
so i get no caps lock led light, not a big loss
<rennj>
the led lights on numpad also
<rennj>
i8042.dumbkbd means no led lighting on certain keys
<exit70[m]>
I think you could add something to linux like if (this hardware) do that
<rennj>
yeah i did
<rennj>
the kernel boot option "i8042.dumbkbd"
<Skipp_OSX>
I can only imagine how you must feel about Apple
<rennj>
turns the crappy hp keyboard with random signals into a dumb keyboard that just works. i lose the led lighting on capslock and numpad
<rennj>
crapple sucked back in the 80's
<rennj>
if they could have locked the box down back then they would have
<rennj>
no upgrade for you
<rennj>
1984 think different my ass
<rennj>
hippy/yuppy,hipster overpriced status symbol at this point..
<rennj>
desert island distro crapple,m$, haiku...you know i would take haiku
<Skipp_OSX>
Be and BeOS took great inspiration from Apple and Mac OS of course
<Skipp_OSX>
Apple is Apple always has been
<rennj>
my sun boxes made crapple,m$ boxes look like child toys
<Skipp_OSX>
i like Haiku it's pretty good. We're closer than we think it's got potential
<rennj>
128MB/256MB of ram, when they had maybe 32MB
<rennj>
ecc ram
<rennj>
solaris vs win3.x workgroups...no contest
<Skipp_OSX>
sun boxes made even Apple boxes look cheap though
<rennj>
well i went from 386 intel running dos to att unix to solaris on sun sparc.
<mmu_man>
well, my old ASUS had a bug in the ATI IXP chipset that I discovered when working at yellowTAB… I had to implement laplink kernel debug output to find that :-p
<rennj>
but i worked on primitive ibm system 36, honeywell gear
<AlienSoldier>
some of the cheapest computer ened up as my favorite, c64, amiga 600
<mmu_man>
we got a mail from ATI asking why we were using mode 0 of the timer
<mmu_man>
well… because it exists since the IBM PC ? :D
<mmu_man>
and you got it wrong
<rennj>
primitive tui no mouse computers
<rennj>
no mouse haha
<mmu_man>
even Linux has a fixup for that one now
<rennj>
cut/copy and paste with keyboard blows
<Skipp_OSX>
I went 386 intel running dos to 486 running windows 3.11 to Celeron 333 running 98, then to Mac OS X. BeOS and Haiku only after that.
<rennj>
celeron333 running freebsd with 384MB of ram
<rennj>
i had one of those celerons
<Skipp_OSX>
I wanted the 300A but they were all gone by then
<Skipp_OSX>
(you could overclock them to 450 easy)
<rennj>
i never owned 486, went from 386 to pentium mmx
<rennj>
pentium mmx with solaris 2.5.1 was going to be $600.00 for os, vs walnut creek cdrom 50 for freebsd,linux..
<Skipp_OSX>
First get Pentiums were pricy... even mmx ones were I skipped all those
<AlienSoldier>
only 386 i somewhat wanted was a Fujitsu FM Town Marty.
<rennj>
pentium box probably 32MB of ram
<Skipp_OSX>
I ran Yggdrasil exclusively
<mrentropyvcs>
BeOS appears to have taken some inspiration from Taligent.
<rennj>
well the dx was better chip, sx was junk
<rennj>
386sx vs dx
<rennj>
running wine in 1997 with win3.1
<rennj>
vmware was like 2 or 3 years later...
<Skipp_OSX>
yeah I had a DX 25 hehe
<Skipp_OSX>
good machine ega + 14.k modem + sandblaster 8-bit
<Skipp_OSX>
*soundblaster
<rennj>
3dfx voodoo 1 card
<Skipp_OSX>
yeah those were a few years later I had a 486 then and couldn't run them. I ran a 486 a long time past when mp3s became a thing (for other people anyway)
<Skipp_OSX>
I got a Voodoo 3 AGP with the Celeron 333 to give you an idea of the time frame
<rennj>
yeah i had celeron333 way later, i had dual athlon mp system, celeron333 was freebsd router
<rennj>
was like a junk find..someone throwing out
<Skipp_OSX>
I was always fascinated by dual processor computers
<jessicah>
regarding booting from a 32-bit uefi to a 64-bit haiku, it just wasn't something I looked into, nor how to do the transition to long mode via uefi
<jessicah>
as our bootloader is responsible for doing that, rather than the kernel
<jessicah>
even initial SMP bring up is in the bootloader...
<exit70[m]>
ha interesting
<jessicah>
with bios it's even more crazy, there's mbr loader if not using something else, then partition loader, then into haiku_loader that does all the heavy lifting :p
<exit70[m]>
curious does the partition loader assume the partition scheme is mbr (rather than gpt)?
<jessicah>
no, it's actually partition type agnostic
<jessicah>
it encodes the offset of its partition in it
<jessicah>
this is what the makebootable command does
<jessicah>
this is how haiku boots on gpt in bios/csm mode
<mmu_man>
it still should be possible to get the offset from the BIOS in most cases…
<jessicah>
and the partition loader knows just enough of BFS structure to locate the actual haiku_loader
<jessicah>
mmu_man: ;-)
<jessicah>
mmu_man: if I had a dollar for every time I heard that... hehe
<Skipp_OSX>
one does not simply get information from the BIOS
<rennj>
olpc xo-1 laptop only non bios x86 gear i know of
<rennj>
openboot/openfirmware/forth
<linearcannon>
sgi made some x86 machines that used ARC firmware
<rennj>
sun,crapple,ibm,hp all had their forth proms
<exit70[m]>
no luck with the efi loader on macbook2,1 I wonder how beaglejoe made it work
<mmu_man>
jessicah: well, they say it does… :p
<jessicah>
oh with refind?
<jessicah>
I use refind on my macbook air, but it's a 64-bit uefi environment :p
<exit70[m]>
refind would not show the loader so I tried chainload with grub and no luck there too
<jessicah>
you may need to edit the refind config for haiku
<jessicah>
depending where you put the efi file
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<linearcannon>
how's the powerpc port of haiku looking these days? last i checked on it, it was bitrotted and wouldn't even build, but it seems like that's no longer the case
<mrentropyvcs>
I'm still waiting for that 68000 one.
<mmu_man>
linearcannon: still haven't looked at it for some time
<mmu_man>
mrentropyvcs: ditto
<linearcannon>
i would legit be interested in working on that
<mmu_man>
I received my new laptop last month but still need to install it properly
<mmu_man>
then hopefully I can compile again without having to close Firefox
<linearcannon>
my concern with 68k currently would be ram requirements
<linearcannon>
my m68k machines max out at 128mb...
<rennj>
atari tt030 with 1GB of ram
<mrentropyvcs>
I was hoping to boot up on a Jaguar
<rennj>
believe thats m68k box
<mmu_man>
well, long ago we booted with 40MB, but that was way before package management
<mmu_man>
still there are many debugging features that use RAM that could be disabled
<linearcannon>
i could definitely write the necessary mac68k bootloader code but i'm not aware of a 68k mac that works with more than 256mb
<mmu_man>
I think some succeeded with 256MB on x86 recently, just the Installer didn't work, but I think this part was solved tooo
<mmu_man>
I started looking at mac68k some months ago
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<linearcannon>
fyi, there's *very* little documentation on this, but you can in fact make a bootloader that is directly executed by the firmware when it boots a partition, without having to boot the machine into mac os
<mmu_man>
hmm I have a stage1.S here, not sure how far I went