<jmairboeck>
the svn library needs $secondaryArchSuffix appended
<Begasus>
yeah saw it (before lua got in between again) :)
<Begasus>
might as well bump version for kdevelop while I'm looking into that one
<jmairboeck>
+1 Begasus
<jmairboeck>
does kdevelop link libsvnclient? I think it can't be because it wouldn't have worked on x86 before when svn was primary and kdevelop secondary.
<jmairboeck>
if it just invokes svn, maybe change the dependency to cmd:svn?
<Begasus>
I'll check it out, there should be atleast a warning for something missing then
<andreasdr[m]>
Hi there.
<Begasus>
hi andreasdr[m]!
<Begasus>
jmairboeck, seems to be looking for a "few" svn libraries :) https://bpa.st/5JVA
<jmairboeck>
ok
<Begasus>
so will add them accordingly
<jmairboeck>
I'll take a look at the other ones (just started a test build of openmortal)
<jmairboeck>
I'll have to test them if they even build with the new perl version
<jmairboeck>
but I think it will be mostly just revbumps
<Begasus>
+1
<Begasus>
getting a thought :)
<Begasus>
OscarL awake? :P
<Begasus>
maybe we could add a REQUIRES_runtime option in haikuporter/recipes :)
<Begasus>
for instance kdevelop uses meson for the meson plugin, but it's not a hard requirement
<Begasus>
well, svn isn't also come to think of it
<jmairboeck>
optional dependencies would also need changes in Haiku PackageKit itself I think
<Begasus>
clangtidy (llvm18) is in it also, clazystandalone isn't
<Begasus>
got a recipe for heaptrack, but it only has the gui, so no real help on that
<Nephele>
Change one line in Renga -> fixed ctrl tabbing out. Yay. Try to tab complete -> new crash
<Nephele>
xD
<Begasus>
lol
<Nephele>
Debugger has unreadable text colors in dark mode. coool
<Nephele>
now it doesn't reproduce
<Nephele>
i suspect the issue happened because it thought there were no people in the room or something
<Begasus>
ghost bugs? ;)
<Nephele>
... which shouldn't even happen in the first place, but eh :D
<Nephele>
Begasus: Ideally Renga can become good enough that it can replace Vision :3
<Begasus>
eeps!
<Begasus>
I'm only using Vision for almost 25 years! :P
<Nephele>
it looks quite similar
<Nephele>
3 pane design and such
<Begasus>
well, back then we gathered more in BeShare :)
<Begasus>
yeah, did some testing with it (building etc)
<Nephele>
but ideally with XMPP we can add some more "nice" features, like beeing able to painlessly join with any mobile device
<Begasus>
didn't really try connecting to IRC iirc
<Begasus>
kiddos :P
<Nephele>
Already have major troubles on irc with my laptop; open irc on my laptop -> log in; put laptop to sleep; log in on pc; open laptop; laptop logs out PC
<Nephele>
"Guest1973"
<Begasus>
with the same name/credentials?
<Nephele>
yeah
<Nephele>
nickserv just does that
<Begasus>
never had any real probs, but I use diff nick on diff devices
<Nephele>
well, it's a workaround
<Nephele>
but then if you are authed to nickserv you also need seperate credentials for different devices
<Nephele>
and if you have any special privilige bits you need to sync those
<Begasus>
those are hooked up :)
<Begasus>
eg connected to the same email
<Nephele>
major workarounds needed for that :/
<Nephele>
not really nice, specially not for random haiku users that open Vision and need to learn all the black magic
<Nephele>
even moreso if used to discord xD
<Nephele>
or $modernWebChatApp
<Begasus>
no use for either of those here ;)
<Nephele>
I understand this, but i want some of the "niceties" for myself, working damn properly
<Nephele>
without having to run a gigabyte ram consuming application.
<Begasus>
+1 for working on those, even if it's out of personal interest
<Begasus>
in the end more people can benifit from it
<Nephele>
Renga has 18 *megabytes* allocated. Vision 16 *megabytes*
<Nephele>
it's even 8mb for renga and 6mb for vision in actually used ram, and 122mb for quaternion
<Begasus>
NeoChat almost 250MB ;)
<Nephele>
quaternion is more optimized, for a qt app, but it's just insane to me
<Nephele>
matrix itself also doesn't really help. it's a terrible protocol :(
<Begasus>
One positive thing, it keeps the log uptodate :)
<Nephele>
Xmpp does too.
<Nephele>
But even here in IRC you basically *never* notice xmpp bridged users, they blend in seamlessly
<Nephele>
but matrix has wrong nicknames, it eats part of messages if your irc bridged nickname is wrong, it uses terrible quote style, spams the entire chat when the bridge restarts :(
* phschafft
reads a bit of the backlog, then decides it's better to come back a little later.
<Nephele>
phschafft: you don't like megabytes? :D
* phschafft
hides somewhere in unmapped address space.
* phschafft
thinks that that will ensure anybody poking him will auto-die. ;)
<Begasus>
heh
<Nephele>
don't worry phschafft, i'll just start a chromium application. It will map everything and you will have nowhere to hide
<phschafft>
hm....
<phschafft>
not sure if you want a beast with claws in something with a chrome finish. ;)
<Nephele>
Plugging in a macintosh keyboard and setting the layout made it work correctly immidiently, happy
<phschafft>
you know that you can ask the keyboard for it's layout? just as microsoft never used that everyone got lazy and doesn't report anything useful, so now most keyboards report whatever was in the hello-world for that specific keyboard controller they use.
<Begasus>
biab
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<Nephele>
Yes, I do know
<Nephele>
I also know macintosh keyboards give the correct answer
<phschafft>
just like people think a thrid mouse button is something crazy new, but never wonder why it has button number 2, with left and right being 1 and 3.
<Nephele>
so, atleast for them we can implement this ;)
<Nephele>
maybe because pretty much every software refers to it as MOUSE1 and MOUSE2 and *not* MOUSE3?
<phschafft>
except the software that does.
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<Nephele>
sure. But that doesn't really confuse users that are trained that right click is mouse 2
<FreeFull>
The novel thing is having a mouse wheel, instead of just a button
<Nephele>
well, this mouse has a mouse... ball, instead of a wheel
<phschafft>
which is also just buttons.
<FreeFull>
Nowadays wheels can have "continuous" scroll, which has much finer subdivisions
<Nephele>
sadly the ball does not move left-right in haiku
<Nephele>
but it does in macos
<phschafft>
that the wheel codes come in 2D is also news to some people. ;)
<FreeFull>
nephele: That's odd
<Nephele>
FreeFull: yes. I demand a full refund >:(
<phschafft>
haha
<phschafft>
nephele: if I write a GPC version of my chat software, you also want copy for porting?
<Nephele>
GPC?
<phschafft>
I'm sure it will take GBs if not TBs of RAM!
<phschafft>
general purpose computer.
<Nephele>
why does general purpose need a computer?
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<phschafft>
as in a computer that can (meaningfully) run e.g. a POSIX like system.
<phschafft>
in contrast to e.g. a controller in a watch, or a computer that controles the flight of a space craft.
<Nephele>
Well, i don't think posix *needs* gigbytes neccesarily
<Nephele>
i'm very happy that i can see an app using 2GB of ram and go "oh my, must be a bug" instead of "wow chromium sure reduced their ressource use in the last update"
<Nephele>
;)
<Nephele>
webpositive uses 800mb of ram again, i'm not too happy about that
<Nephele>
would be nice to have a profiler for it
<FreeFull>
I think that's just how browsers are nowadays
<Nephele>
Well, having used links2 in graphical mode often I see possibility for improvement
<Nephele>
pressing backspace and beeing *instantly* on the previous page is really an experience
<FreeFull>
links2 doesn't implement even quarter of the things webpositive does
<Nephele>
exactly, and yet it is better in many ways
<FreeFull>
Have you tried netsurf? (I'm assuming it has a Haiku port)
<Nephele>
Yes, i have. But that already fails me for not understanding the dark mode media querry. (links2 just forced the colors, so whatever)
<Nephele>
and the haiku UI port is quite "bah"
<Nephele>
FreeFull: but as a little tidbit, Renga uses libcss from Netsurf ;)
<coolcoder613>
better than the macos one
<FreeFull>
Renga?
<FreeFull>
Ah, xmpp client
<coolcoder613>
No, netsurf port
<FreeFull>
No, I was asking what Renga was
<FreeFull>
But yeah, kinda hard to imagine mac users using netsurf, lol
<Nephele>
I can use safari for reference against WebPositive, so that's cool
* Nephele
is working on adding Bold, italic and underline text input to Renga
<coolcoder613>
I am a mac user
<coolcoder613>
but when I tried to use the port...
<coolcoder613>
Let's just say the Windows version through wine was a better experience
* coolcoder613
mutters about XQuartz
<FreeFull>
I wonder if any terminals support sixels on Haiku
<phschafft>
nephele: my point was just that I currently don't know if I will write a version that is suitable for porting to Haiku. and if so the question would be how.
<Nephele>
for what phschafft?
<Nephele>
for text chat i think xmpp should be fine for now for haiku :)
<phschafft>
yes?
<Nephele>
You want to write a xmpp client?
<phschafft>
no?
<Nephele>
then I don't understand what you mean by "version". a version of what?
<phschafft>
I was more joking around.
<phschafft>
as part of the radio experiments I'm currently doing with some friends I would like to implement a variant of what floats around in head and papers over here as intercom/chat.
<phschafft>
and I half-seriously offered you a copy of the code IF I would write a client that could run on a system such as Haiku.
<Nephele>
ah :)
<Nephele>
What's the operator in C++ for a bit operation to add the bit if it is not there and remove it if it is there?