<nekobot>
[haiku/buildtools] d86b03dc2b1f - Fix typo from btrev43210
<Begasus>
ps nephele, I was checking up on Renga/Kaidan the other day, I can login and find the renga channel/group, how does one join in there? ;)
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<Nephele>
Begasus: what do you mean by finding it?
<Nephele>
you can join with the misleadingly named Talk->"Start group chat" button
<Begasus>
nephele, thought that was meant to be used to "create" a room :)
<Nephele>
Yes, it's confusing
<Begasus>
it worked :) thanks!
<Begasus>
heading out to dogschool in a bit
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<Begasus>
bbl
* phschafft
half-waves.
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<Nephele>
only half flag today?
<phschafft>
it's a little joke: it means to be only half here (yet). also if you feed a hald-wave dipole you're at the point of minimum impedance (or kind of maximum current). as in every move still needs effort.
<Nephele>
cool
<Nephele>
anyway, i'm available if you want to talk about E-Mail
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<phschafft>
I'm just reading up on the filesystem thread.
<phschafft>
and I feel like the mood has shifted towards a more 'let\'s just keep siting where we are' thing.
<Nephele>
for haiku R1 that is to be expected *shrug* there is lots of things moved to R2 or whenever
<Nephele>
keeping compatibility with BeOS (which is a stated goal for R1) is really hard if you start deviating massively from BeOS
<phschafft>
nephele: I can't care about any specific releases just now. so timeline is not relevant for me. it is more that I have seen this in the past:
<Nephele>
I think mostly that is a goal to keep the project somewhat grounded, if you do too much rewrite everything you won't arrive anywhere :)
<phschafft>
people say 'oh, not yet'. and it means 'never' or it means they will do something on their own in the last 5 minutes exlcuding the community.
<Nephele>
yeah. maybe.
<phschafft>
which is totally fine. just for me it means to get off the train early, not wasting time with something I will not be a part in anyway.
<Nephele>
But then there is nothing stopping from developers moving in a direction they think is interesting or doesn't move directly to R1
<Nephele>
I think Haiku can be improved upon in it's core, to move away a bit from Posix. but that will require breaking changes :)
<phschafft>
you're right with that.
<phschafft>
but still (and really no judgment here) you need to figure what are your fights and what are the fights of other people.
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<phschafft>
regarding your HDD and SSD thing:
<phschafft>
I find your comments a bit strange.
<phschafft>
I mean surely HDDs has seen improvements (and the heat stuff is something used on medias of my childhood, it just now also came onto HDDs ;). But as you told: SSDs are replacing HDDs on specifically desktops (or more generally speaking: systems with a user direct in front of them).
<phschafft>
and as Haiku is currently basically a desktop-only system.... ;)
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<phschafft>
I think it's important that any future filesystem does get like the basics right. and for the details there is often not that much of a problem as SSDs clearly get better.
<phschafft>
just stuff like if you write access times on every io operation and always to the same block that surely will kill that block for busy files.
<phschafft>
the stuff I did for SIRTX allows for all-one as an idle pattern, which also redurces the numbers of writes to the eeprom dramatically.
<Nephele>
phschafft: i have file servers right, and those store stuff that is primarily interesting for clients
<Nephele>
I don't see how designing a file system that would be a cool DB, but work only on SSD would help there. I'd still have to bend backwards to support the other file system regardless
<Nephele>
wouldn't have gained much
<Nephele>
stuff like querries for data, or extended attributes over the network are a major pain point
<Nephele>
stuff works locally nicely sure, but i don't have huge disks in my client :)
<phschafft>
nephele: I don't say that the database part is related to this. just that if you design *anything* new for Haiki it should keep in mind what media people are install on.
<phschafft>
which I feel are a good number of SSDs and even USB flash drives alongside HDDs.
<Nephele>
sure
<Nephele>
I don't think that designing *without* hdd in mind is a good idea though
<phschafft>
I just want to say that I feel like Haiku will have a over-the-avg adoption rate of flash based storage.
<phschafft>
nephele: clearly not. and I'm not suggesting that at all.
<Nephele>
why? in my experience Haiku is normally ran on slightly older than new, or somewhat older consumer PC hardware
<Nephele>
what would make it have an above average flash storage adoption?
<Nephele>
(currently the steam deck has that, and it has a good reason to)
<phschafft>
a generation was is going to be replaced at the same speed as other hardware. it may always be 'behind', but it will be behind some that has more SSDs per HDDs to begin with: desktops.
<phschafft>
nephele: ref. designing for HDDs: for example one of the features I really want are extents. they improve efficency on SSDs in terms of CPU time and space. but they also mean way less seeking on HDDs.
<phschafft>
and more and more filesystems seem to support that.
<Nephele>
I think it's quite funny that I now have HDD's which like SSD's need to write a complete block at once if you only update a subset of it
<phschafft>
I mean on the interface that is required for a long time already?
<Nephele>
I was talking about the write head
<Nephele>
dunno about the interface
<phschafft>
I think the interface was always like 'here is a block' and 'got it? now write it down'
<phschafft>
but I would need to kook at the PIO specs.
<phschafft>
so, posted my reply to the threads. let's see.
<phschafft>
I wonder if that threads will get any wider, or if people will at some point remember what it was about to begin with. discussing stuff like network filesystems seems strangly out of place.
<phschafft>
nephele: so what is on your agenda for today regarding e-mail?
<Nephele>
well, i did not bring up network filesystems in the thread :D
<Nephele>
don't have much of an agenda, yesterday i improved the error log window to look proper on dark mode. Maybe I will work on IMAP IDLE, but iirc you wanted to talk about that
<botifico>
[haikuports/haikuports.cross] pulkomandy 07d7d2e - Remove PowerPC from obsolete recipes.
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<phschafft>
nephele: I didn't want to imply that. just was like 'yet another thread that disscusses that X is bad because of something totally unrelated' ;)
<phschafft>
'don\'t travel by boat! I hear cars can crash!'
<phschafft>
nephele: ah, I think I noticed your work on dark mode.
<Nephele>
how so?
<phschafft>
nephele: as with IDLE, go for it. no comments in my side, just that I feel like it should be in there.
<phschafft>
nephele: I think you talked about it in here.
<Nephele>
what did you want to talk about bzgl mail then?
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<Nephele>
... why does the mail server have code to animate the scroll lock LED?
<phschafft>
why not? ;)
<Nephele>
"code cleanup"
<phschafft>
nephele: I was wondering if we could have a look at BEmailMessage (is it that one?).
<phschafft>
or maybe not? hm.
<Nephele>
sounds like a class name, but not one I know. What should It do?
<Nephele>
ah indeed. used in the email application
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<phschafft>
it is the way for any application to do the sending. and then the server takes over from it and performs the actual transmisson. that is how I understand it.
<Nephele>
with have a look you mean figure out how it works together?
<phschafft>
no, I was more wondering if you share some thoughts on how it could be improved.
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<Nephele>
perhaps. but i'd need to figure out how it works first
<Nephele>
i've been dealing more with IMAP than SMTP lately ;)
<phschafft>
it is relativly simple: it collects all the data. then it packs them some way, and sends a BMessage to the server. done.
<Nephele>
sounds easy
<Nephele>
what would you want to change there?
<phschafft>
I think it is easy. and I like it for that reason.
* coolcoder613
asks phschafft about his game book software
<phschafft>
someone is ping-y.
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* Nephele
counts 5 messages starting with "nephele:" in the last hour from phschafft
<phschafft>
nephele: what do you mean by that?
<phschafft>
nephele: that's not true!
<phschafft>
nephele: not at all! ;)
<coolcoder613>
lol
<Nephele>
all of phschafft messages are in red, to threaten me!
<coolcoder613>
For me mention is orange
<phschafft>
and now I posted a very threatening message to the filesystem discussion.
<phschafft>
let's see if that gets me flagged and nephele neeing to remove my account.
<phschafft>
and if you remove my account I shall haunt you and sometimes add some CRC errors to your filesystems!
<coolcoder613>
WoooOOOoooOOOoo
<Nephele>
phschafft: the last person i banned wrote "But this isn’t a reason to ban me either :joy:"
<Nephele>
also, there is a new moderator on the block, BlueSky, beware they don't ban you for wishing people a good day !
<phschafft>
let's see what the reactions are. and if I will follow that thread anymore or if that thread will keep talking on why databases on SSDs are bad because Perl's marketing on HDDs is the worst!
<phschafft>
maybe I'm just no longer used to that kind of community.
<phschafft>
coolcoder613: so, basically I need to set up an empty book for you and then show you around a little. and then let you play via some port forwarding.
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<Nephele>
phschafft: you would be more happy on the mailing list :P
<Nephele>
user forum is well, users mostly
<phschafft>
again, maybe a valid fight, but maybe not mine.
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<phschafft>
nephele: can you tell me where the profile of the sending user is stored?
<phschafft>
I mean on-disk.
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<Nephele>
in the message for the e-mail preferences
<coolcoder613>
Problem with quieter room: It's on the other side of the house from the router
<OscarL>
oh boy... this "'build' package depends on itself" would be fun (at least 3 diffent paths cause that cycle).
<Begasus>
oh, neat track by madmax on the forum to mount a local partition in qemu :D
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<Begasus>
track/trick*
<Begasus>
now how would I go about it to create a virtual drive, done it but it's been about 20 years ago I think :)
<Begasus>
mkfs it is (it seems) :)
<Begasus>
err ... no
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<HaikuUser>
It is possible to pack SQL Workbench/J and SQL Power Architect and put them on haikudepot for users to install and manage postgresql databases?
<HaikuUser>
there isn't any postgresql management tool on haikudepot :P
<Begasus>
still waiting for someone to tackle it HaikuUser :)
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<OscarL>
alright. finally managed to mount my Haiku's $HOME from Win10 side :-D
<OscarL>
(needs WinFsp + sshfs-win, then "net use X: \\<user>@<haiku-host>" from cmd.exe)
<OscarL>
not sure why it failed several times before working :-/
<Begasus>
with the extra image I copied haikuporter/haikuports directories, linked haikuporter tool, cp'd for haikuports.conf and created profile, works :D
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<Begasus>
guess this could work also to create an .image, mount both anyboot image and created one, setup with DriveSetup, use installer, boot .image? ;)
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<OscarL>
I've done the "boot .anyboot on VM, plug in reall HDD, install Haiku there" a few times already.
<OscarL>
(a couple of half-netbooks I have are a PITA to get haiku installed on them otherwise)
<Begasus>
nice trick also OscarL +1
<Begasus>
in the past used jam to install to partition from within Ubuntu :) <ducks>
<OscarL>
Even installed my current main Win10 from a Linux VM :-D
<Begasus>
heh
<phschafft>
coolcoder613: thank you for your time and input.
<phschafft>
just next time give me the time to actually type in what you ask me to type in. ;)
<coolcoder613>
Thank *you* for your time
<phschafft>
:)
<coolcoder613>
:)
<phschafft>
is there a way to read one of those serialised BMessages off the disk and display it's content?
* coolcoder613
says good night to the denizens of #haiku
<Begasus>
cya coolcoder613!
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<Begasus>
would be nice if python3.10 came default with Haiku
<coolcoder613>
It doesn't?
<Begasus>
nope
<coolcoder613>
Oh, nightly doesn't have Python, and beta4 has 3.9, right?
<Begasus>
try running haikuporter on a freshly installed Haiku :)
<Begasus>
hmm ... I always use the haikuporter repo, wondering now if "pkgman install haikuporter" does this itself :)
<OscarL>
phschafft: "/bin/message" ?
<OscarL>
phschafft: or "pkgman search kottan", if you fancy a GUI.
<Begasus>
OK, I take that back, shouldn't be default installed :)
<phschafft>
OscarL: thank you. that was like... too easy.
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<OscarL>
:-D
<erysdren>
good morning all
<OscarL>
o/
<OscarL>
mmm main doxygen package pulls qt5? that's nuts.
* phschafft
waves to erysdren.
<Nephele>
I think we should have a haiku-core repo that takes care of all dependencies of Haiku, and that it can build those itself properly. Even if not the same configuration as haikuports
<Nephele>
the requirements of haikuports packages sometimes are just different
<OscarL>
(on REQUIRES_gui, at least for doxygen-1.9.8)
<OscarL>
but BUILD_REQUIRES devel:libqt*, ouch.
<Begasus>
yeah, the cli shouldn't depend on Qt
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<OscarL>
bootstraping with that build req can't be fun :-/
<Begasus>
OscarL, you do builds for Haiku too I think? Do you have a dependency for Qt there?
<OscarL>
Begasus: I don't have dep for Qt because I'm not rebuilding all from sources (bootstraping)
<Begasus>
ah :)
<Begasus>
well, I have most of that stuff installed, so I didn't see it here
<OscarL>
thats the problem PulkoMandy has, while trying to bring the PPC port up again.
<Begasus>
yeah, done simular thing for the assimp recipe, seperate recipe for _doc
<Begasus>
(but that one has a seperate repo)
<OscarL>
heh, today I saw that cmd:python + cmd:python3 on the gstreamer recipe and went... WHA?
<Begasus>
biab, doggies :)
<jmairboeck>
the bootstrapping recipes in haikuports.cross should be configured with as little dependencies as possible. If documentation can be disabled and therefore a dependency on doxygen is avoided, it should be done, I think
<jmairboeck>
there is a reason why they are separate from the main haikuports
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<HaikuUser>
hi, who is responsable for changing the Deskbar? and their preferences?
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<OscarL>
Sparcle: could you rephrase your question? I'm not sure what you mean by that, sorry.
<Sparcle>
Could someone put in preferences an option to allow change the Deskbar to have the taskbar in horizontal on TOP or BELLOW screen from left to right, like we see for example on xfce desktop...
<Nephele>
Sparcle: just drag it on the three dots on the right side
<Sparcle>
it isn't in the left and it doesn't fill the entire width from left to right
<Nephele>
see the link above
<Sparcle>
nephele cool... but a newbie can't do that... it is not intuitive...
<Nephele>
but random config options are...?
<Begasus>
ah right, those are from the haikuports.cross recipes?
<Nephele>
Anyhow, the user guide is on the desktop on the normal beta install. You can read it if you need help with any application
<Sparcle>
it's not easy for a newbie... could you put in preferences something like "Horizontal Deskbar on Top", "Horizontal Deskbar on Bottom" another option with "Vertical Deskbar on Left" and "Vertical Deskbar on Right" and another option with "Fill entire width"...
<Nephele>
Config options aren't any easier or more intuitive
<OscarL>
Sparcle: in my experience, real newbies can't even find the preferences (on any OS).
<Sparcle>
I put horizontal on top like KFCE and it is COOOOOOOOOOOOL! more cool for users and newbies :)
<Sparcle>
Horizontal width 100% width on TOP, that should be the default
<Begasus>
some of us oldies prefer the BeOS way for the Deskbar :) (top right corner)
<Sparcle>
Begasus, are developers build haiku for developpers or for users? :)
<Nephele>
I disagree for the default, i like it the way it is. but it is customizable so you can choose what you want
<Begasus>
Sparcle, I'm not a developer :)
<Begasus>
right there nephele
<Sparcle>
I have deskbar on top with 100% fill width and logo on left and network and clock on right and with elevation, so if I maximize applications it will be bellow deskbar, it is COOOL this way
<Sparcle>
does update will revert this??? i hope not
<Nephele>
No, the settings of deskbar should be respected
<Nephele>
if not that would likely be a bug
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<Sparcle>
I'm thinking to put the desktop bar bellow screen... but is coool this way
<Nephele>
Do what works for you :)
<Nephele>
some people also have a second launcher/"dock" application aswell
<Sparcle>
when I click on active apps on deskbar, it doesn't SWITCH, a BUG
<Sparcle>
it shows me a context menu
<Begasus>
is it possible to setup a haikuports.cross env inside Haiku itself, never worked on those, so not familiar there
<Nephele>
it's not a bug, it is by design. Why this was designed that way i don't know. Probably because it selects an application, and the application can have severall windows
<Sparcle>
well, after testing where is the best position on DESKBAR, it is on TOP with 100% width with logo on left and networking and clock on left
<Nephele>
i use my deskbar on the side with the "expand new applications" option, that is much more space efficient since 16:10 (or 16:9) monitors are plenty wide
<Sparcle>
nephele, I see, but it is confusing if I put it bellow screen, so I moved and put in TOP again
<Nephele>
you can if you want the least space to be taken up however also use the mini mini mode, and then it is the same height as window tab bars
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<Sparcle>
nephele I like it as XFCE desktop environment, with 100% width
<Sparcle>
maybe one day we see notifications appear :)
<Nephele>
You can test them with the terminal "notify --title test Hi!"
<Sparcle>
COOOOOL! nephele, it is better as I have on TOP :)
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<Sparcle>
as a USER and DEVELOPPER, if I had to choose, it will be DEFAULT on TOP
<Nephele>
holy moly! wikipedia added a dark mode
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<Sparcle>
nephele, it lacks a dark mode in haiku, ahahahahahaahahah :)
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<Nephele>
?
<Sparcle>
I have lots of APPS installed on HAIKU, where is the search on menu ? :)
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<Nephele>
I am using wikipedias dark mode on haiku right now... not sure what you mean?
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<Sparcle>
nephele I mean APPS in DARK MODE :)
<Nephele>
All applications in Haiku follow the system colors. Configure them to your liking
<Nephele>
the next beta will have it be a bit less hard to configure
<Sparcle>
nephele coool!
<BrunoSpr>
hello all...
<Begasus>
Hi BrunoSpr
<BrunoSpr>
Strange, no WebPositive on hrev57858 64bit nightly... what happend?
<BrunoSpr>
hi Begasus
* Nephele
afk
<Sparcle>
Begasus, nephele and PulkoMandy, think about putting the Deskbar on TOP by DEFAULT, and with 100% width and LOGO on LEFT and network and clock on RIGHT, please consider this, it is more user friendly and it is tested by professional developpers and users that is the best way to do it :)
<BrunoSpr>
Isnt it on top by default?
<OscarL>
Sparcle: for quickly searching/starting apps... try installing "QuickLaunch".
<Begasus>
BrunoSpr, I have WebPositive in the latest (local) build for Haiku
<Sparcle>
BrunoSpr it isn't like XFCE... one bar on top with 100% width
<Begasus>
No Sparcle, I don't want it on top
<Sparcle>
Begasus :P
<Begasus>
and I don't have any say in it :P
<BrunoSpr>
it is ok like it is
<Sparcle>
Buuuuuu :P
<Begasus>
second that
<OscarL>
even as an XFCE enjoyer myself... let's not pretend it is the pinnacle of GUI desing :-)
<BrunoSpr>
yep
<Sparcle>
GUI design is important... it is what attracts users to it, ... I don't want tell that is the most important thing, the most important is stability and professional apps available so users can WORK with it
<BrunoSpr>
I just installed Web+ from HD again... no idea how it could get lost! By the way, there is not nice screenshoot of Web+ at HaikuDepot
<Sparcle>
Web+ in nightbuilds is very buggy latelly :P
<BrunoSpr>
I don't want tell that is the most important thing, correct!
<BrunoSpr>
Maybe some developement going on with Web+
<win8linux[m]>
There has been a GSoC project for improving WebKit2 on Haiku, but IDK if any of that work is making it into Web+ yet.
<Begasus>
nephele should know, but I haven't seen much changes for it
<Begasus>
Web+ isn't using webkit2 :)
<Sparcle>
notify --title You received a message from operating system telling it's time to take a break and have a coffee. As you are a professional developper, and spend hours programming, just take a break please :)
<Sparcle>
notify --title Notification "You received a message from operating system telling it's time to take a break and have a coffee. As you are a professional developper, and spend hours programming, just take a break please :)"
<Sparcle>
nephele, it worked perfecly :) the last line
<Sparcle>
nephele, as a programmer I think I will use it in my apps
<BrunoSpr>
Anyone knows how to get back from fullscreenmode in Genio? Alt+Return does not work
<OscarL>
still no idea why both 3.11 and 3.12 appear on PulkoMandy's attempt at bootstraping.
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<Begasus>
no idea about that bootstrapping thing
<Nephele>
> <Sparcle> nephele, as a programmer I think I will use it in my apps
<Nephele>
If you want to programm there is a native notification api. No need to bother with the cli util
<Nephele>
Begasus: the last haikuwebkit version is about 3 to 4 months old now. So no there is no major development of haikuwebkit or web+ on the nightly branch
<Nephele>
would be cool if people encountering issues would report tickets...
<Nephele>
but then again haikuwebkit has the same version for the beta releases too, so eh.
<OscarL>
Begasus: seems the scipy already hang.
<Begasus>
thought so nephele
<Begasus>
yeah OscarL :/
<Begasus>
OscarL, maybe open PR to disable both for 32bit?
<OscarL>
current scipy recipe didn't build for 64 bits either.
<OscarL>
not sure how to proceed here. just "!all" without rev-bump?
<Begasus>
ow, did it use the old one then for noteshrink?
<Begasus>
to be sure do a revbump
<OscarL>
yeah, scipy and scipy_x86 still show up on repos.
<Begasus>
ah, maybe noteshrink could be good?
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<OscarL>
on 64 bits, it might, haven't tried with the one from depot yet.
<OscarL>
wouldn't rev-bump + "!all" remove the scipy version already on depot?
<scantysnax>
good morning.
<OscarL>
Begasus: trying to use noteshrink installed from repos: "bash: /bin/noteshrink: Permission denied" :-/
<OscarL>
hello scantysnax!
<Begasus>
jikes OscarL
<Begasus>
Hi scantysnax
<OscarL>
"Access: (0444/-r--r--r--)" :-(
<Begasus>
that one is still good OscarL, it's the 365 version :P
<OscarL>
That's why I get for trying to please korli! (combining sed and cp line) :-)
<scantysnax>
hi! what are you guys currently working on these days?
<Begasus>
bughunting ;)
<scantysnax>
ah, me too.
<OscarL>
I should have kept my previous version there (removing one "cp" line just to add one for "chmod"... not ideal)
<scantysnax>
have to rewrite some sound code, which i am not looking forward to.
<Nephele>
scantysnax: wanted to add IMAP IDLE to the mail server
<OscarL>
scantysnax: some folks over the forum will be happy when BeNES is ready :-)
<scantysnax>
OscarL, it's not BeNES, it's Pretendo :^)
<OscarL>
sorry!
<scantysnax>
BeNES is written by someone else
<OscarL>
mixed up :-(
<Begasus>
serves the same purpose?
<scantysnax>
yes, but much much more accurate
<Begasus>
+1 then :)
<scantysnax>
:-)
<scantysnax>
I might release a beta when the sound code is fixed.
<scantysnax>
i think people might like it.
<Begasus>
there have been question about it, so probably yes :)
<scantysnax>
cool. that's actually good motivation :)
<Begasus>
oh yeah! and the fact that bsnes etc haven't been around for a long time
<scantysnax>
also have to write some FPS limiting code, but that should be fairly easy.
<scantysnax>
going to merge branches after i iron out some sound and video issues
<scantysnax>
things are moving along.
<scantysnax>
not as quickly as i'd like, but progress is progress.
<Habbie>
:)
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<nosycat>
Hello!
<Begasus>
Hi nosycat
<Begasus>
'lo Habbie btw too :)
<Habbie>
hi :)
<Begasus>
OK, weird thing, doxygen mostly relies on cmd:dot being supplied in the recuirements, this isn't done for xz_utils, so I got a feeling it's not being used at all (documention files are text files also)
<jmairboeck>
dot is an optional requirement for doxygen, it depends on the options used in the Doxyfile whether it will be needed
<jmairboeck>
now thinking of it, that probably also explains the texlive requirement, doxygen also supports LaTeX output for creating PDFs
<Begasus>
so far my experience is that if cmd:dot isn't supplied together with cmd:doxygen it won't be found/used with haikuporter
<jmairboeck>
because I was thinking why there was texlive_core in PulkoMandy's list on the forum
<Begasus>
yeah, saw the comment
<Begasus>
some pretty weird stuff going on there
<jmairboeck>
doxygen having a dependency on that is understandable. I didn't think of that before.
<Begasus>
searching for "doxygen" in Terminal after a build for xz_utils doesn't show anything
* OscarL
*thinks* he sees some light at the end of the "build" cyclic-dependencies rabbit hole.
<jmairboeck>
if it is doxygen that is pulling that in
<Begasus>
it was the first pulkomandy mentioned in that topic
* Begasus
jumps in that rabit hole OscarL found ...
* scantysnax
follows.
<Begasus>
it's not "that" big (I hope) :)
<jmairboeck>
ok, no, it isn't doxygen I think
<jmairboeck>
at least I didn't find anything in its recipe
<Begasus>
it's as far as I see it, xz_utils pulling in doxygen and down the hole it goes
<OscarL>
Begasus: I need to change flit-core to bootstrap, installer to only use flit-core... and then see where that leaves me with build proper :-)
<Begasus>
no idea what you said there OscarL :)
<OscarL>
heh :-D
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<Begasus>
+ sh update-doxygen
<Begasus>
doxygen/update-doxygen: 'doxygen' command not found.
<scantysnax>
i could never do a winter without heat
<scantysnax>
maybe you could get a small space heater?
<scantysnax>
they're not that expensive.
<OscarL>
electric bill already high enough, and I'm not going back to work :-) (winters are usually short here, anyway... summers on the other hand... sigh...)
<scantysnax>
I see... well, keep keeping warm :-)
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<scantysnax>
do you have AC for summer months?
<OscarL>
I have an AC, but I only use it when I positively cannot stand the heat anymore.
<scantysnax>
gotcha.
<OscarL>
about 8 or 10 hours total on the summer.
<scantysnax>
summers here are really hot too, also very humid.
<OscarL>
the fan on the other hand.... is about to die from the abuse it gets.
<scantysnax>
do you live alone?
<OscarL>
dry heat here at least.
<OscarL>
scantysnax: yup.
<scantysnax>
i can handle the dry heat, but once it gets humid, different story.
<OscarL>
yeah, I was born and raised in a city by the sea, very humid. even 28C can feel too much.
<scantysnax>
I see... well 28C is still pretty warm
<scantysnax>
29C here right now.
<scantysnax>
also very humid when i was out before.
<scantysnax>
closest place to where i live, rather.
<scantysnax>
i live about 15 minutes from there.
<scantysnax>
(by car)
<OscarL>
20 years ago, wouldn't mind tha climate. After so many years on this heat... I'd freeze there half the year :-D
<scantysnax>
yeah, it can get really cold here in winter, and really hot in summer
<scantysnax>
we don't really have spring weather, it just goes from cold to hot
<OscarL>
(and be too chilly for about 1/4 more)
<scantysnax>
we only had one snow this winter
<scantysnax>
2 days off.
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<scantysnax>
i got very sick this winter, had to take two weeks off to recover.
<OscarL>
last time we had snow here... 2007, about 20/25 cm, good thing it was on sunday, so I was able to stay in bed (was still working at that time).
<scantysnax>
wow that is a long time ago!
<OscarL>
ouch! sorry to hear that scantysnax.
<scantysnax>
usually i get bronchitis every winter... this winter was particularly bad.
<OscarL>
(mountains around us thou... get snow on the regular, and we some pretty cold winds from time to time)
<scantysnax>
i hate when it's cold and windy at the same time.
<scantysnax>
makes it feel a lot colder than it really is.
<OscarL>
indeed. pretty bad to move around on a motorbike those days :-)
<scantysnax>
although, we had an unusually warmer winter this year.
<scantysnax>
oh, you have a motor bike?
<OscarL>
currently, 1 and a half :-D
<scantysnax>
that's cool
<scantysnax>
i don't currently have a car, i get around with trains and busses.
<OscarL>
1978 Honda Rebel 250... still trying to save enough money to get it repaired.
<OscarL>
*1987
<scantysnax>
my house is about a 3 minute walk to the train station, and where i work is only one stop away, and i can walk there from the train station in about 5 minutes, so i'm pretty lucky.
<scantysnax>
honda bikes are usually good quality, afaik
<OscarL>
indeed, this one is just too old, and I must be its ... dunno at least 4th or 5th owner :-D
<scantysnax>
i see... well i hope you can save up enough to get it going again.
<OscarL>
thanks! once it gets repaired, should last me forever (or till I get too old to ride it at least :-D)
<scantysnax>
indeed. hope you can get it repaired soon!
<scantysnax>
i always wanted to ride a motorcycle.
<scantysnax>
OscarL: how old are you?
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<OscarL>
I started pretty "old" (>30) with a chinese clone of the Honda SuperCub 90. Needed it to be able to go to work.
<OscarL>
47 y/o.
<scantysnax>
ah, okay, you'[re a little bit older than me... i'm 41
<scantysnax>
have a girlfriend?
<scantysnax>
you don't have to answer if you feel uncomfortable.
<OscarL>
more like a FWB situation (but she lives on a different city now).
<OscarL>
so we see each other less frequently now.
<scantysnax>
ah, that's nice. i'm still waiting to meet someone special
<scantysnax>
never really had a girlfriend.
<scantysnax>
it's quite a bit harder when you have a mental illness, as i'm sure you understand.
<OscarL>
indeed.
<scantysnax>
hrm, my brother is calling! how nice... bbiab
<OscarL>
be well!
<OscarL>
mmm, why name a parameter "OPT_LEVELS" if you're only accept one number instead of a list :-/
<OscarL>
"-o 0 -o 1" worked. Oh well.
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<OscarL>
"waiting for build package flit_core-3.9.0-1 to be deactivated", wish I knew how to fix that bug for good.
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<OscarL>
ffs. I hate that bug.
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<OscarL>
YES! Finally got a bootstrapped flit-core package that matches the one built with build/installer.
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<phschafft>
hm.
<OscarL>
got "installer" out of the cycle too. making progress!
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<CalistoMathias>
heyyy
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<OscarL>
hello CalistoMathias.
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<OscarL>
"This package can build itself only with the tomli (can be omitted in Python 3.11+) and pyproject-hooks dependencies" <<< LIAR! fails hard without "flit_core".
<CalistoMathias>
Hi OscarL
<CalistoMathias>
how are you doing :)
<OscarL>
parts cold (low temps), parts too hot (getting all worked out due to Python shennanigans :-D)
<OscarL>
how about you?
<CalistoMathias>
Just moved into my college hostel again :D
<CalistoMathias>
took a while with all the travelling
<CalistoMathias>
but its pretty nice :)
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<mbrumbelow>
OscarL: Was looking at you post yesterday about building without buildtools. I have tested that and it does not work. Is there some magical incantation that I need to do?