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Begasus >
g'morning peeps
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erysdren >
good morning Begasus
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Begasus >
Hello there erysdren
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nekobot >
[haiku/haiku] b352d8ccd82a - virtio_gpu: add the accelerant to the regular image
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nekobot >
[haiku/haiku] 15037a29f10d - Move TV app into haiku_extras package
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Begasus >
time to cleanup some stuff here I guess, back to basics, bug hunting ...
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Begasus >
major downgrade for kde libs ... crossing fingers
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nephele >
hi Begasus
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nephele >
speaking of kde libs, the lib "kded" includes systemd unit files
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nephele >
i wonder if there is a linter or something to warn if some of these non-applicable files are included in the package?
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Begasus_32 >
not that I know of nephele, saw it, there is another one storing a .service file at that location
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nephele >
coolcoder613_32: from uid 0, but the account is named "user"
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Begasus_32 >
have to step out for a bit now, removed them localy already in the recipe
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Begasus_32 >
but don't want to break anything by doing some changes there at the moment :)
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Begasus >
*** failed to commit transaction: Failed to change the package activation in packagefs: Name in use
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Begasus >
so gonna shoot this!
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BrunoSpr >
hi all, hi Begasus
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BrunoSpr >
hi nephele
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BrunoSpr >
Begasus, is there a Artpaint for 64bit Haiku in process?
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Begasus >
no idea BrunoSpr, isn't there one yet?
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BrunoSpr >
No the new version is available for 32bit only atm
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Begasus >
artpaint A native painting and image editing program
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BrunoSpr >
yes artpaint, sorry
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Begasus >
ah, 64bit buildmaster still offline :/
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Begasus >
stepping out for a while
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BrunoSpr >
ah ok thats why, thanks
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nephele >
artpaint is for pixel art?
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PetePete >
Good morning
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bjorkintosh >
your name is a twin.
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bjorkintosh >
did it come before or after the twins?
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PetePete >
After :)
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bjorkintosh >
re-Pete.
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botifico-ecd96135 >
[haiku/website] pulkomandy 70e3816 - Update Go port idea with the current status
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botifico-ecd96135 >
[haiku/website] pulkomandy fb47ad7 - remove XHCI support from a TODO list in the "getting involved" pages
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PetePete >
rePetePete
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nephele >
repeat what?
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<
bjorkintosh >
Pete.
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bjorkintosh >
rePetePete
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bjorkintosh >
PeteRePete. you get twins out of the deal. try it and see.
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Ellenor >
that is a gender of names
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bjorkintosh >
gender of names? what does that sentence mean?
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Ellenor >
okay, so, there's some deep lore that is not fully obvious about the word "gender"
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bjorkintosh >
I'm a bit slow, and failed to understand the sentence.
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Ellenor >
it and "genre" (the French word meaning the same as in English, and the English word which is a co-ordinate term with type, style and category) are cognates (and in English doublets) - and used to mean the same thing, without any relation to the closely but incompletely linked concepts we now call gender and sex.
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Ellenor >
I effectively said "that is a type of name"
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nephele >
I guess you learn some etymology every day
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* bjorkintosh
remains lost.
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bjorkintosh >
sucks to be slow.
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zard >
Apparantly, gender and genre used to have similar meanings, therefore Ellenor said something like "that is a genre of names"
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zard >
FYI, yes, it was hard to understand :)
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* Ellenor
curses KDE's pale imitations
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Begasus >
k, back to 5.93.0 ... reboot
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Begasus >
closing down here
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Begasus >
cu peeps!
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botifico-ecd96135 >
[haikuports/haikuports] hectorm 64eb040 - hBlock: bump (#10013)
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coolcoder613_nok >
Hello
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coolcoder613_32 >
Good morning
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PetePete >
coolcoder613_32 sup sup sup
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coolcoder613_32 >
Not much, yet
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* coolcoder613_32
just woke up
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BaronAlbatross >
Hey guys, I am just getting ready to try out Haiku, it looks pretty much complete for daily use. I am planning to drop it on an old chromebook later. My use case is mostly typing, email and music. Haiku looks pretty capable of handling all that. Anything I should know before I jump in with both feet?
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scanty >
beware of mail. if you have gmail or yahoo, and possibly others, they will not work because of a lack of OAUTH2
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<
BaronAlbatross >
not even in the browser?
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coolcoder613_32 >
You can use webmail
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scanty >
browser is a different story.
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Ellenor >
i believe there's a python programme for unix that will proxy the oauth for you. I don't know if that programme will work on haiku.
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BaronAlbatross >
sweet, thanks
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Ellenor >
nerdsniped! yes
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scanty >
i dont' think any of the mail clients we have natively (like Beam, for example) can cope with HTML, so beware.
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coolcoder613_32 >
Try trojita, it looks native, even if it is writen with QT
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coolcoder613_32 >
*wrtten
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coolcoder613_32 >
*written
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scanty >
i wonder if begasus ported kmail
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* coolcoder613_32
doesn't appear to be properly awake yet
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scanty >
it's much nicer than trojita
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* coolcoder613_32
likes trojita, but he hasn't tried kmail
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scanty >
kmail is certainly a more complete mailer
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scanty >
and a nicer UI, to boot
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coolcoder613_32 >
Trojita on Haiku looks very nice
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scanty >
eh, it's fair
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scanty >
i must say, however, the QT UIs looks really nice on Haiku
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* coolcoder613_32
thinks the Haiku QT backend must use the native BeAPI
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scanty >
that would make sense
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coolcoder613_32 >
It doesn't use xlibe
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scanty >
yeah, that would just get messy.
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coolcoder613_32 >
GTK does
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coolcoder613_32 >
that's part of why it looks bad and doesn't integrate well
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scanty >
GTK is ugly without themes
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scanty >
I want to build gnu backgammon, but am having trouble with glib.
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coolcoder613_32 >
GTK looks nice on GNOME, or Zorin (which uses GNOME), but looks terrible everywhere else
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BaronAlbatross >
Honestly I never did like GNOME personally. One of the big sells on Haiku is that it looks so good out of the box
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* coolcoder613_32
wonders how most GNOME look with the Chicago95 ;)
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coolcoder613_32 >
*most GNOME apps
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Ellenor >
is it insulting to say that haiku looks soft and innocent
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zdykstra >
I think it's weird
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zdykstra >
scanty: gmail works perfectly fine with the built-in Mail system
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zdykstra >
you don't need any oauth2 proxies
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zdykstra >
create an app password and use imap.google.com / smtp.google.com along with your full e-mail address as login credentials
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scanty >
interesting.
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scanty >
i never really liked the builtin mailer
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* coolcoder613_32
uses it to read his mail, but for some reason sending doesn't work
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coolcoder613_32 >
It doesn't seem to like outlook
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BaronAlbatross >
I was gonna ask about imap, but I figured I would just try it and report back
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BaronAlbatross >
I had to do that on my phone recently
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zdykstra >
gmail at least works fine for sending/receiving using the native e-mail system
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* coolcoder613_32
recommends Trojita
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scanty >
well, i've bookmarked that site. i'll take a look it later on.
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scanty >
last i tried Trojita didn't work
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coolcoder613_32 >
It works for me on 64-bit
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scanty >
send/recv and HTML, too?
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coolcoder613_32 >
but not on 32-bit
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scanty >
that's fine, i'm on 64-bit
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coolcoder613_32 >
scanty: recv and html
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coolcoder613_32 >
but i think send is outlooks problem
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<
coolcoder613_32 >
It doesn't like Haiku
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scanty >
no send = deal breaker
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coolcoder613_32 >
but Trojita did send on Linux on the same machine
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coolcoder613_32 >
Do you use outlook?
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scanty >
i use thunderbird
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* zdykstra
shakes his head and walks away
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scanty >
what, did we disappoint you?
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coolcoder613_32 >
I mean is your email adress from outlook
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* coolcoder613_32
hasn't tried gmail with trojita
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coolcoder613_32 >
I made a gmail account a while ago, just to test an email clent I ported
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scanty >
which client?
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<
coolcoder613_32 >
kube
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<
coolcoder613_32 >
but it didn't work
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coolcoder613_32 >
even for outlook
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scanty >
yeah, it's probably that OAUTH2 thingy.
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* coolcoder613_32
reliased that trojita was crashing because it was misconfigured
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* AlienSoldier
wonder how much gmail email would be required to get google revert their OAUTH2 choice with a petition.
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scanty >
i doubt we could poke that bear.
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* coolcoder613_32
is going to try use email-oath2-proxy
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scanty >
coolcoder613_32, let me know how that goes
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scanty >
I wish the "Mail and News" app worked (on package manager)
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* coolcoder613_32
already installed it, and is trying to get the GUI working as well
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scanty >
coolcoder613_32, are you referring to the proxy?
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* coolcoder613_32
nonds
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coolcoder613_32 >
*nods
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scanty >
okay cool.
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scanty >
i will ask begasus if he can make a kmail package
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<
AlienSoldier >
scanty i want Gmail to use PETSCII art as password :)
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scanty >
i will try the proxy if we have kmail, because at least it does HTML
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scanty >
it would be interesting if we could have something like a BHTMLView in the Haiku API
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coolcoder613_32 >
Are you in australia?
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Forza >
How do I use the ssh server in Haiku? What user/pass should I use to login?
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<
AlienSoldier >
Weird behavior with Summit. When i save a file it does not respect where i moved the file on the desktop, it move back to the original position.
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<
AlienSoldier >
Almost as if the icon position was hardcoded.
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<
scanty >
what's Summit?
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<
AlienSoldier >
scanty a spreadsheet app naive to haiku
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<
AlienSoldier >
real name Sum-It
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<
AlienSoldier >
And the about window say Open Sum-It
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scanty >
going to grab some dinner, bbl
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scanty >
coolcoder613_32, let me know how it goes with that proxy, you can /msg me, but I won't be too long.
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coolcoder613_32 >
scanty: no go
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coolcoder613_32 >
OAuth2Proxy listening 127.0.0.1:2993 at 0xfeb8c70> (<class 'OSError'>:[Errno -2147454951] ENETUNREACH [/packages/python3.10_x86-3.10.13-1/.self/lib/python3.10/asyncore.py|read|90] [/packages/python3.10_x86-3.10.13-1/.self/lib/python3.10/asyncore.py|handle_read_event|421] [/packages/python3.10_x86-3.10.13-1/.self/non-packaged/lib/python3.10/site-packages/emailproxy.py|handle_accept|2080]
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coolcoder613_32 >
[/packages/python3.10_x86-3.10.13-1/.self/non-packaged/lib/python3.10/site-packages/emailproxy.py|handle_accepted|2092] [/packages/python3.10_x86-3.10.13-1/.self/non-packaged/lib/python3.10/site-packages/emailproxy.py|__init__|1847] [/packages/python3.10_x86-3.10.13-1/.self/non-packaged/lib/python3.10/site-packages/emailproxy.py|__init__|1716] [/packages/python3.10_x86-3.10.13-1/.self/lib/python3.10/asyncore.py|connect|347])
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coolcoder613_32 >
AlienSoldier: I think when it saves it, it must strip the tracker attributes with the position or something
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scanty >
coolcoder613_32, gotcha, too bad it didn't work :-(
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scanty >
think it will work on 64 bit, or there is really no difference?
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<
scanty >
guess it can't find your connection.
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AlienSoldier >
coolcoder613_32 possibly, in any case it break OS rules i think.