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<AlienSoldier> Falkon seem goot to stress Haiku, it hang the system meaning i think it run out of certain ressource. Unless it happen really fast suddently i don't think it is RAM, i still have 3/5 of memory when this happen. At one point only the mouse move and sometime it is not a smooth movement, when that happen i need to reset the computer
<AlienSoldier> *good
<AlienSoldier> perhaps the availability of hardcoded value displayed in a "X of MaxHardcodedvalue" line would be usefull in process controller.
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<PetePete> erysdren: I think your machines are likely a step above anything I have spares of. It's newer stuff but not as powerful
<andreasdr[m]> Arrrrrrr.
<andreasdr[m]> :)
<Al2O3> arg
<Al2O3> -x
<andreasdr[m]> :DDD
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<PetePete> ARRRRRe you all having fun?
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<Al2O3> smoke a load of tee with pipe, you will have fun.
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<qwebirc25391> I have a problem - on my ThinkPad T60 the Haiku splash screen gets stuck after the fourth icon. I have tried to boot from both CD and USB.
<andreasdr[m]> Yes. Lots of fun.
<AlienSoldier> something about Galkon make it take posseddion of muy "low ressource manager" thread
<AlienSoldier> ^falkon
<AlienSoldier> *possession
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<AlienSoldier> it take quite a bit of time around one min before the cpu load on it return to zero from being full.
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<AlienSoldier> after i quit the browser
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<AlienSoldier> ho, interesting, after a few time trying to launch it it the OS say can't launch Falkon, out of memory
<AlienSoldier> but i have almost 5G left
<AlienSoldier> "6221044 -1 46721event queue control"
<AlienSoldier> is that normal to have a count of -1?
<AlienSoldier> now i can't start mediaplayer, like if some ressource did not come back "leaked" in the system
<AlienSoldier> as usuall, everything will come back to normal after a computer reset
<Skipp_OSX> sounds borked
<Skipp_OSX> I read on forums
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<Skipp_OSX> gotta be serious memory leaks in falcon
<AlienSoldier> Skipp_OSX there is a tread about this?
<Skipp_OSX> yeah
<AlienSoldier> the OS don't report memory leak that said
<AlienSoldier> thanx
<Skipp_OSX> I'm not sure who's fault it is yet
<AlienSoldier> your fault of course :P
<AlienSoldier> will reset
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<AlienSoldier> the OS sure can do better with memory error, i rarely have a out of memory message, usually it's justa crash of a loading app
<AlienSoldier> *out of memory
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<AlienSoldier> yep original poster describe what i have. He suspect youtube, i suspect gmail. I know someone once mentioned google map was using lot of ressource.
<PetePete> YouTube is a browser KILLER
<PetePete> Google Maps also bad. Gmail, not so much
<AlienSoldier> in any case, i am glad that i am not alone, someting might be done, it seem a major flaw behind i like like major flaw exposed
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<AlienSoldier> https://dev.haiku-os.org/ticket/18724 priority is set at normal but i would put it at more than this, it is system stability territory after all
<AlienSoldier> how can we access ramFS?
<x512[m]> AlienSoldier: Some user investigated Falcon memory leaks and it seems caused by kernel FD reference count leak.
<AlienSoldier> FD?
<phschafft> (file descriptors / file handles I would guess)
<AlienSoldier> ok
<AlienSoldier> I don't know if this can be related but another problem i encountered with Falkon is that when you download a file, in the tracker window where the file end up, it stop updating the file size at one point. I need to do a back on the tracker window and re-enter that directory to see the propper file size. I only noticed that with Falkon (wget don't do this).
<AlienSoldier> The download are ok and complete that said.
<AlienSoldier> It is juts that it seem the OS is not notified that the operation is completed or something
<Skipp_OSX> yeah
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<Begasus> g'morning peeps
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<zdykstra> Morning!
<Begasus> Hi there zdykstra, still up? :)
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<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] autocommitter pushed 1 commit to master [hrev57500] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=cfcb53d90a45+%5Efffd9d7dd4fa
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] cfcb53d90a45 - Update translations from Pootle
<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-0/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/134d0a0bd0f9...d140888f66d0
<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] hfsfox d140888 - vim: new version (#9939)
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<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/d140888f66d0...647dc67fdf22
<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 647dc67 - R, bump version (#9951)
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<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+3/-0/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/647dc67fdf22...2e50df12827d
<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 2e50df1 - rkward, KDE IDE for the R language (#9952)
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<coolcoder613> 'Evening
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<Begasus> 'Noon
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<coolcoder613> Begasus: did you finish the toga recipe?
<Begasus> oh man, that old qca recipe has got some flaws in it :/
<Begasus> coolcoder613, nope :)
<Begasus> wrong provides .. and can't rebuild it :/
<coolcoder613> Why not?
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<Begasus> added some Terminal output on the PR for the latest version
<Begasus> one ... /boot/system/develop/tools/lib/gcc/x86_64-unknown-haiku/13.2.0/include/c++/backward/auto_ptr.h:311:26: error: '_Lock_policy' has not been declared
<coolcoder613> I guess as long as it can be installed from pip...
<Begasus> it's still in the depot, so hence me not touching that and renaming the new one not to conflict
<coolcoder613> old one? new one?
<Begasus> shared_ptr, unique_ptr ... shouldn't be an issue, not?
<coolcoder613> Oh, I missed a message, thought you where talking about toga
<Begasus> nah :)
<Begasus> for toga you can still use pip yes
<jmairboeck> Begasus: auto_ptr has been deprecated since C++11 and has been dropped in C++17, so this needs a flag like -std=c++14 to target an older standard
<jmairboeck> I think GCC 13 targets C++17 by default
<Begasus> err .. :)
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<Begasus> export CXXFLAGS="-std=c++14" (that didn't work)
<waddlesplash> Skipp_OSX: I'm a bit concerned at the increasing number of unmerged large changes to tracker...
<waddlesplash> I realize you're getting stuff done but at the same time it seems dangerous to accumulate so many changes at once, makes it hard to navigate and review and also kinda prevents others from working on tracker (though admittedly I don't know if anyone else is looking to at the moment)
<coolcoder613> How well is wxpython supported on Haiku?
<coolcoder613> and how well does Genio support Python?
<coolcoder613> the Python syntax highlighting in Pe is a little out of date, and Pe (and Koder) is a little lacking for more than a quick script
<Begasus> patches welcome? ;)
* Begasus ducks
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<jmairboeck> Begasus: try -DCMAKE_CXX_STANDARD=14
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<Begasus> already tried jmairboeck :/
<Begasus> set(CMAKE_CXX_STANDARD 14) in the file doesn't work also
<jmairboeck> you can also use an older standard like 11 or 98; maybe even you should use 98, if the code is using auto_ptr
<Begasus> -DCMAKE_CXX_STANDARD=98 ... same errors
<jmairboeck> is it passing the -std flag to the compiler correctly? (try running make with VERBOSE=1)
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<Begasus> cd /sources/qca-2.2.1/build/src && /bin/c++ -DBOTAN_EXT_ALLOC_MMAP -DBOTAN_EXT_MUTEX_QT -DBOTAN_KARAT_MUL_THRESHOLD=12 -DBOTAN_KARAT_SQR_THRESHOLD=12 -DBOTAN_MINIMAL_BIGINT -DBOTAN_MP_WORD_BITS=32 -DBOTAN_NO_CONF_H -DBOTAN_NO_INIT_H -DBOTAN_TOOLS_ONLY -DBOTAN_TYPES_QT -DQCA_MAKEDLL -DQCA_PLUGIN_PATH=\"/packages/qca-2.2.1-4/.self/lib\" -DQCA_SYSTEMSTORE_PATH=\"/system/data/ssl/CARootCertificates.pem\" -DQT_CORE_LIB
<Begasus> -DQT_DISABLE_DEPRECATED_BEFORE=0 -DQT_NO_DEBUG -I/sources/qca-2.2.1/build/src -I/sources/qca-2.2.1/src -I/sources/qca-2.2.1/include/QtCrypto -I/sources/qca-2.2.1/build -I/sources/qca-2.2.1/src/support -I/sources/qca-2.2.1/src/botantools/botan -I/boot/system/develop/headers/QtNetwork -isystem /boot/system/develop/headers/QtCore -isystem /boot/system/data/Qt5/mkspecs/haiku-g++ -O3 -DNDEBUG -std=gnu++11 -fPIC -fPIC -MD -MT
<Begasus> src/CMakeFiles/qca-qt5.dir/qca_default.cpp.o -MF CMakeFiles/qca-qt5.dir/qca_default.cpp.o.d -o CMakeFiles/qca-qt5.dir/qca_default.cpp.o -c /sources/qca-2.2.1/src/qca_default.cpp
<Begasus> sorry there :)
<jmairboeck> ok, it is using gnu++11, that should work theoretically
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<jmairboeck> so the problem is a different one
<jmairboeck> a bug in gcc?
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<Begasus> was thinking that earlier, but I'm not the one to ask :)
<andreaa72> tracker = file manager + deskbar = start menu + i suggest desktopman = desktop manager ... ;)
<andreaa72> deskman ...
<jmairboeck> the missing shared_ptr looks like a missing #include <memory>. Maybe put that at the top of that source file?
<Begasus> ... haiku-g++ -O3 -DNDEBUG -std=gnu++14 -fPIC -fPIC -MD -MT src/CMakeFiles/qca-qt5.dir/support/qpipe.cpp.o
<Begasus> so changing that from 98 to 14 does seem to work somewhat
<jmairboeck> C++98 didn't have shared_ptr yet
<andreaa72> .o = object
<andreaa72> g++ makes .o -> after linking .o becomes executable
<andreaa72> g++ -o hello helloworld.cpp -> hello.o -> ld hello.o -> hello
<Begasus> if only i knew what header that would be jmairboeck :)
<jmairboeck> I mean at the top of the qca source files (or better a common header file) add #include <memory>
<andreaa72> g++ automatically calls ld ... imho
<jmairboeck> should I take a look at it myself?
<Begasus> if you could, getting a ** here ;)
<Begasus> and need to go out
<Begasus> the qca recipe is just the one that is in the repo atm, the new one is fine
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<andreaa72> try src/CMakeFiles/qca-qt5.dir/support/qpipe.cpp
<Begasus> just checked there, maybe it helps :)
<Begasus> signing out for a while, cu later
<x512[m]> andreaa72: Yes. Calling "ld" directly is not recommended unless linking some special things like boot loader or firmware.
<andreaa72> thanks x512[m] :)
<jmairboeck> Begasus: exactly something like that I meant :)
<x512[m]> Compiler automatically pass default runtime libraries to linker such as libc and libc++.
<andreaa72> g++ may pass included libs ... ie if you call #include <icq> in a cpp source g++ may pass icq.lib to ld
<andreaa72> #include <icq> -> ld icqlib.so
<andreaa72> better : #include "icq.h" -> ld icqlib.so
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<jmairboeck> Begasus: I created a PR with a fix for the old version of qca: https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/pull/9953
<jmairboeck> as I suspected, it was missing only a #include <memory> :)
<Ellenor> aoooo
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<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [hrev57501] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=3433ec7334ed+%5Ecfcb53d90a45
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 3433ec7334ed - vfs/preallocate: fix file descriptor leak
<BrunoSpr> Wow, very nice work thanks X512
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<waddlesplash> augiedoggie: " I even had a FPU exception in kernel mode last night from running an autoconf script that uses dd." -> what hrev?
<waddlesplash> i.e. after the last round of FPU context switch changes?
<waddlesplash> interested to see a stack trace either way
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<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/2e50df12827d...5656b043e534
<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] jmairboeck 5656b04 - qca: fix build (#9953)
<Begasus> thanks jmairboeck!
<Begasus> not sure wether to realy "fix" the recipe, fixing it probably still breaks some other packages
<Begasus> not sure who started it, but there is no libqca in there, and the libqca_qt5 isn't being packaged in the devel package
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<augiedoggie> waddlesplash: i don't recall exactly when it started but it seems like it's been about a month
<augiedoggie> maybe 2
* augiedoggie runs configure for anymeal to see if it will KDL again
<augiedoggie> it did KDL but the screen is only half visible, no backtrace
<augiedoggie> second time it caused dd to just eat 100% of one core until i killed it and the Haiku locks up instantly
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<augiedoggie> then*
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<waddlesplash> weird
<waddlesplash> any chance you can get the command line?
<waddlesplash> augiedoggie: screen only half visible no backtrace ... are you on vmware using vmware video?
<augiedoggie> yes
<augiedoggie> but it did show my the full KDL screen the other day, backtrace didn't seem interesting from what i recall
<augiedoggie> also, i've had almost the exact same problem running cmake for one project, i.e. 100% cpu until i kill it and then total freeze
<augiedoggie> with the cmake executable ^
<waddlesplash> vmware video relies on semaphore for retrace
<waddlesplash> if you get lucky you get full KDL, but most of the time you won't
<waddlesplash> either use vesa/fb or just grab KDL from trace
<waddlesplash> serial trace
<waddlesplash> same problem with cmake? hmm, odd. maybe a select problem
<waddlesplash> well please open a ticket with backtrace, and if you get a command line that reliably reproduces please also open a ticket
<waddlesplash> if this is a regression, sounds pretty bad
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<augiedoggie> heh, running just plain ol' `dd` from the command line triggers it
<augiedoggie> with no args
<augiedoggie> sometimes
<waddlesplash> o_O
<waddlesplash> doesn't seem to be doing it for me...
<waddlesplash> just "dd" with no args does nothing at all till i Ctrl+C it and then it exits normally
<waddlesplash> also in Vmware
<augiedoggie> yeah, that one might be something else, but `dd bs=32 count=1 < config.log > foo` does it
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<augiedoggie> i was in the anymeal dir and just chose the config.log at random
<waddlesplash> works fine here
<waddlesplash> did it multiple times
<waddlesplash> do you have FS corruption?
<augiedoggie> not that i'm aware of
<scanty> i have the same problem with "dd" and no arguments on virutalbox
<scanty> it does nothing until i ctrl+c it
<Begasus> reboot
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<waddlesplash> scanty: that's not a problem, that's expected
<scanty> oh okay
<scanty> sorry.
<augiedoggie> yeah, the problem only occurs inside vmware, the same install when booted bare metal works fine
<waddlesplash> well, booted from VMware I don't encounter this
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<augiedoggie> got a KDL this time, i see the details in the serial log
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<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] waddlesplash pushed 1 commit to master [hrev57502] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=12bba3817d6d+%5E3433ec7334ed
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 12bba3817d6d - nvme, mmc: Fix SMAP violations in B_GET_MEDIA_STATUS.
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<waddlesplash> augiedoggie: hrev57381 should have fixed this
<waddlesplash> I see you are on "hrev57368+20", what's that mean? +20 of your own patches?
<augiedoggie> yeah
<waddlesplash> ok. so yeah this was fixed already
<augiedoggie> i'm not that far behind though, i don't think that hrev is correct
<augiedoggie> i updated just a couple days ago
<augiedoggie> is that the EFI loader hrev? 'cuz i don't usually update that
<waddlesplash> ah, yeah, ok
<waddlesplash> Haiku revision: hrev57498+20, debug level: 2
<waddlesplash> so, I guess there's some problem yet remaining!
<waddlesplash> but it's really weird I can't reproduce this
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<BrunoSpr> Hello all, if the system folder is: /boot/system/apps/uHexen2/data1 the non-packaged should go to: /boot/home/config/non-packaged/data/data1 but I am not sure! Can anyone confirm please?
<waddlesplash> augiedoggie: well please do open a ticket I suppose, and note this only happens in VMware
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<BrunoSpr> Auf Telegram posten geht plötzlich in Flakon, wie kommt das?
<BrunoSpr> *Falkon
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<Begasus> closing down for today, cu peeps!
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<AlienSoldier> x512[m] thanx you for the Falkon fix (even if i still wait for the build to propagate)
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<coolcoder613_32> Good morning
<AlienSoldier> hi
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<_Dario_> hi coolcoder613_32
<augiedoggie> waddlesplash: just fyi, vmware is fine with hrev57381 reverted
<waddlesplash> very odd
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<erysdren> heya coolcoder
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<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] diversys pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/5656b043e534...160c20661598
<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] hfsfox 160c206 - i2pd: new version (#9959)
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<coolcoder613_32> Hi erysdren
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<AlienSoldier> I would happily take an ETA for next build in the SoftwareUpdated window
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<AlienSoldier> still no build 501, i am starting to think something is not passing compile time
<augiedoggie_> the last build was only 15.5 hours ago, you'll probably have to wait a few hours for the job to run
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<AlienSoldier> nice, did not know about that site
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<coolcoder613_32> Does this look like windows 1 or 2 or what? https://github.com/gansm/finalcut/blob/main/doc/newfont1.png
<coolcoder613_32> from https://github.com/gansm/finalcut (github recommended it to me)
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<MohitKumar[m]> I've been using haiku on gnome-boxes on ubuntu for general usage and it feels somewhat sluggish. Now
<MohitKumar[m]> * I've been using haiku on gnome-boxes on ubuntu for general usage and it feels somewhat sluggish. Any recommendations between Qemu and vmware
<MohitKumar[m]> I'
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<Habbie> gnome-boxes uses qemu/qemu-kvm
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<augiedoggie_> vmware gets the best UI performance in my opinion, it's hard to beat their graphics driver in terms of responsiveness
<augiedoggie_> you can also use the vmwvga driver with virtualbox and qemu iirc, but it never quite felt the same to me
<MohitKumar[m]> or i think let me dual boot it
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<MohitKumar[m]> hey waddle,
<MohitKumar[m]> I was saying that I looked over the project idea of write support for more filesystems(XFS/BSD) and it seems quite interesting to me. I'll get started with building haiku from source and understand the development workflow.
<MohitKumar[m]> I'm still researching on it, do you suggest anything prerequisite for this(other than c++ and data structures)?
<MohitKumar[m]> s/waddle/waddlesplash /, s/anything/any/
<waddlesplash> I am not as familiar with that level of FS development. I wrote the current NTFS driver but it mostly uses NTFS-3G for the actual IO operations
<waddlesplash> The XFS driver is already relatively sophisticated, you can probably take a look and see what it's like already.
<waddlesplash> I don't know how much write code it has
<MohitKumar[m]> I'll take a look.
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<coolcoder613_32> Hi zard
<zard> Hello coolcoder613_32 :)
* zard is going to commit the changes to Haiku-PyAPI
<coolcoder613_32> What do you think about my lan mail protocol thingy?