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<zard> Also size is 1.49 MB
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<zard> Strange... adding -fvisibility=hidden gives 13 seconds, 1.49 MB
* coolcoder613_32 wonders how hard it would be to switch to nanobind
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<zard> I think I looked into that before...
<coolcoder613_32> maybe -fvisibility=hidden doesn't make a difference until link time?
<zard> Specifically, nanobind wants "The codebase has to adapt to the binding tool and not the other way around"
<zard> I tried compiling the so file. It went from 800 kb to 700 kb.
<zard> So, yeah, it seems to only make a difference at link time
* coolcoder613_32 might want to try porting the application kit to nanobind, to see if it is possible
<zard> That would be an interesting experiment
<zard> Not sure that we have the option of switching over at this point of PyAPI's development, if it were successful, though
<zard> Nonetheless, an interesting experiment
* zard decides to keep -fvisibility=hidden. Decreases build size without increasing build time
<zard> -flto makes no difference. Might need to be linking multiple files together for it to have an effect
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<nephele> lto is link time optimization, stripping out apis you never link to and such
<zard> Hmm, perhaps it won't ever make a difference in the project, then. But maybe it will
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<zard> -Os turns build time 13s -> 15s and output size 700 kb -> 140 kb
* zard decides to keep that one as well
<coolcoder613_32> What about -s?
<zard> Didn't test that one. Not sure how stripping symbols would affect debug reports
<coolcoder613_32> Well, if they encounter a bug. they should try using the lastest code anyway, no?
<coolcoder613_32> *latest
<nephele> stripping symbols is a bad idea for debug reports
<zard> Even the latest build would have the symbols stripped by default
<nephele> in theory you can ship them next to the app in a seperate package but that makes debugging much harder
<coolcoder613_32> Try using strip on the .so, see how much it helps?
<zard> 140 kb -> 100 kb. Not bad, but I'm not sure that it's worth sacrificing better debug reports over...
<zard> gtg, bye everyone!
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<Sompi> wow
<Sompi> a big irc channel
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<coolcoder613> Hello Sompi
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<Sompi> coolcoder613: hello
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<coolcoder613> Sompi: Are you trying out Haiku?
<Sompi> Actually I haven't tried the newest version yet
<coolcoder613> What version have you tried?
<Sompi> I don't remember
<coolcoder613> When did you try it?
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<Ellenor> long ago, i liked it
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<Ellenor> one of these days I should get an oldish compopter, throw haiku on it, and hack about a bit
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<Begasus> g'morning peeps
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<coolcoder613_> Hi Begasus
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<Begasus> Hi coolcoder613_
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<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] diversys pushed 1 commit to master [+1/-1/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/7644aa14dded...6e936e2cc433
<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] sikmir 6e936e2 - lagrange: bump to 1.17.6 (#10020)
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<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] pulkomandy pushed 2 commits to master [hrev57532] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=8446d3b9b521+%5E6b427174c54a
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 90510b4af9d1 - Tracker: Remove Trash settings remnants
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 8446d3b9b521 - Tracker: Miscellaneous cleanup
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<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] korli pushed 1 commit to master [+2/-0/±0] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/6e936e2cc433...a1ca40544508
<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] MaximeChretien a1ca405 - minipro: new recipe (#10014)
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<BrunoSpr> hi all
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* OscarL waves at BrunoSpr.
<OscarL> Weee! first KDL in ages! :-S
<OscarL> "PANIC: SMAP violation user-mapped address 0x[...] touched from kernel 0x[...]"
<OscarL> (I was trying to do a "cat /dev/power/acpi_thermal/0")
<Begasus> latest tokodon back operational here :)
<Begasus> Hi BrunoSpr OscarL!
<OscarL> Hello there Begasus! :-)
<Begasus> KF5 updated to 5.114.0 :)
<OscarL> I've got a "new" netbook to play with. Single-thread performance almost the same as my main desktop, but only uses 6 watts instead of 100+ :-D
<Begasus> 111 packages ... (a few left)
<Begasus> nice OscarL!
<OscarL> Too bad that it doesn't has an etherner port, and the wifi card doesn't seems to be able to connect :-(
<Begasus> same on this one, hence external dongle
<OscarL> touchpad also doesn't works :-D (nor sound.... darn audio card is USB, LOL)
<Begasus> lol
<Begasus> other then that ... :)
<OscarL> yeah... other than that... awesome! :-P
<OscarL> I guess I'll end up using it with Windows/Linux (for Youtube/webbrowsing), and give the Phenom more "Haiku-time" on bare metal :-D
<Begasus> +1 sound like a good plan
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<OscarL> Mmm, comparing those to Begasus' Ryzen 7 5825u... 3069 (single-thread) / 18435 (multi)... LOL :-D
<OscarL> good thing it is YOU doing the KDE (and other heavy packages) stuff :-P
<Begasus> those are actualy not that big, archives are pretty small for the frameworks
<OscarL> Welp... in any case... happy to have you around to deal with all of that!
<Begasus> Running cost per year$21.67
<Begasus> not that bad with avg 10hours a day :)
<Begasus> kio still isn't fine :/
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] pulkomandy pushed 2 commits to master [hrev57533] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=1978089f7cec+%5E8446d3b9b521
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 67380402ab01 - BMenu: use std::stable_sort to implement SortItems
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 1978089f7cec - API docs: document menu reordering functions
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] pulkomandy pushed 1 commit to master [hrev57534] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=6dd442715830+%5E1978089f7cec
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 6dd442715830 - ffmpeg: use accessors for AVStream indexes
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] pulkomandy pushed 1 commit to master [hrev57535] - https://git.haiku-os.org/haiku/log/?qt=range&q=0199d1f39b31+%5E6dd442715830
<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] 0199d1f39b31 - ffmpeg: remove interlaced_frame
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<bitigchi[m]> Brace for impact!
<bitigchi[m]> (Just kidding)
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<ranton> ITM!
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<Begasus> OscarL, does the PR fix the new issue on python?
<OscarL> It enables building 3.10.x with the updated (current) libedit, on beta4.
<OscarL> building on nightlies will still be broken.
<Begasus> yeah, saw that
<OscarL> (as it is a separate issue).
<Begasus> k
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<OscarL> current PR is not *extrictly* needed... as we still have a functional Python 3.10.13
<OscarL> but will come in handy for the next 3.10.x release.
<OscarL> I thought about just adding the patch, without doing a rev-bump... but korli usually wants to see it build on buildmasters, so... :-D
<Begasus> k, checking build, any way to see something visual to check?
<OscarL> with the patch, if you still have line-editing and command history in the Python prompt... it is because the patch worked.
<Begasus> err ... I'll take your word for it :)
<OscarL> without it, the build will succeed, but the readline module will be missing.
<OscarL> (or non-functional)
<Begasus> no changes needed for 32bit?
<Begasus> (seeing the seperate xx86 patchset)
<OscarL> haven't tested it on 32 bits, but I don't expect differences there.
<OscarL> for 3.12 I've "folded" that x86 patch into the main one :-)
<OscarL> if you want to test on 32 bits... you can speed up the build by deleting the "--enable-optimizations" line from the recipe.
<Begasus> will do 64bit check and blame you next :P
<OscarL> sounds fair :-D
<Begasus> messed up enough :D
<OscarL> if you want, we can wait till the next 3.10.x release.
<OscarL> I only wanted that PR there, just in case I forgot how to fix it next time :-P
<Begasus> np, should pick up at haikuports again for a bit :)
<Begasus> python done :)
<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±2] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/a1ca40544508...1c4b106f6cda
<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] OscarL 1c4b106 - python3.10: fix build with newer libedit. (#10019)
* OscarL crosses fingers for the 32 bit build :-P
<OscarL> This "new" netbook has some impressive low battery usage at idle (on linux, after applying "powetop --auto-tune"). Apparently, it is using around 2 watts. Crazy stuff!
<Begasus> You are sure it's running?
<OscarL> had to double check :-D
<OscarL> Will make up for a nice second screen for reading docs (besides using it to build/test Python on linux for comparing results with Haiku's)
<Begasus> got so many packages around I forgot which ones I should keep around :)
<OscarL> Begasus has more packages than Amazon, EBay, and FedEx combined :-P
<Begasus> still got 5 plugins in /boot/system/lib/plugins/designer that should go to $addOnsDir
<Begasus> lol
<Begasus> 113 packages for KF6 already
<scanty> Begasus, any progress with Kontact?
<Begasus> no scanty, had to revert to 5.93.0 to fix some things
<scanty> okay, hope you can get to it soon... if i have a good mail client i can actually use haiku
<Begasus> now bumped KF5 to 5.114.0, but not all are in place yet (have to rebuild the akonadi ones for instance)
<scanty> any way i can help?
<Begasus> don't count on me :) I'm sure 3dEyes is way ahead of me there
<scanty> ah okay... no problem. :-)
<Begasus> not really, got all recipes in place, it's only the final problems that need a "real" developer ;)
<scanty> i see.... i'm not really a "real" developer.
<Begasus> neither am I (should have studied more in my youth I guess) :)
<scanty> me too... i studied electrical engineering instead
<scanty> studying software was boring for me
<Begasus> just a lumber here
<BrunoSpr> Ahoi Begasus... Is Caligra supposed to work again? It still crashes here!?
<Begasus> I launches here BrunoSpr
<BrunoSpr> I must have installed some problem app by accident then!=?
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<BrunoSpr> I will try updating to hrev57531 to see if that works... Web+ has a image rendering problem, on Falkon it is ok!
<BrunoSpr> rebooting
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<Begasus> BrunoSpr https://0x0.st/HDii.png
<BrunoSpr> Thanks Begasus for testing, but here it is still crashing :-(
<Begasus> involved packages: akonadi/akonadi_search/cantor/kmymoney, those should have gotten an update there BrunoSpr
<BrunoSpr> hmm, none of that I ve had installed
<scanty> is there still a large number of people using 32-bit installs?
<scanty> meaning, is it worth it to continue developing an app for both 32 and 64 bits
<BrunoSpr> As long as there are 32bit notebooks and computers yes
<nosycat> I am.
<BrunoSpr> Mee too
<jmairboeck> BrunoSpr: anything interesting in the crash report?
<Begasus> the other one is still running 32bit here
<BrunoSpr> Begasus, where is Calligra stored at? HaikuPorts?
<Begasus> BrunoSpr, could you check the files in /boot/system/data/mime with "File Info"?
<BrunoSpr> I will try
<scanty> I have a 32-bit version of my NES emulator for haiku. I will have to test the package though... would anybody be interested in such a piece of software?
<Begasus> they should point to shared_mime_info in the attributes
<Begasus> probably still open issues on snes scanty, so maybe?
<nosycat> It's kind of tricky for me to test most apps.
<scanty> snes is a clusterfuck.
<nosycat> Maybe I should set up a Haiku VM again.
<scanty> 65c816 is a shitty cpu.
<Begasus> BrunoSpr, should look like this https://0x0.st/HDi8.png
<BrunoSpr> Begasus... most of them does indeed point to shared_mime_info-1.15-2
<Begasus> the "files" should all point there
<Begasus> the directories not
<Begasus> that's good
<Begasus> check the other files (not the directories)
<Begasus> maybe there is another one poking in there that I don't know about (yet)
<BrunoSpr> Begasus.. https://0x0.st/HDiP.png
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<Begasus> ah!
<Begasus> sec ...
<BrunoSpr> The mime folder itself is not
<Begasus> folders are fine
<BrunoSpr> application folder points to palapeli too
<Begasus> lol, that was the folder attribute :)
<Begasus> only the "files"
<Begasus> right, palapeli is involved too, fix comming up
<BrunoSpr> the files all point to palapeli
<BrunoSpr> the folders to mime...
<Begasus> yeah, need to clean those in the recipe
<Begasus> can you uninstall palapeli and check again?
<BrunoSpr> except the folder image and text they point to calligra
<BrunoSpr> Palapeli ok
<jmairboeck> you could probably check all files at once in Terminal with something like: find /boot/system/data/mime -type f | xargs catattr SYS:PACKAGE
<BrunoSpr> Begasus... oho it works now! ;-)
<BrunoSpr> jmairboeck... nice now all files point to shared_mime_info
<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/1c4b106f6cda...081d94b81906
<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 081d94b - palapeli, don't mess with shared_mime_info (#10021)
<Begasus> that should fix it
<BrunoSpr> that was found fast great to know, but how comes this stupid bug into? Palapeli is a troublemaker here?
<BrunoSpr> botifico-ecd96135... If alapeli, don't mess with shared_mime_info why is it working now after deinstalling it?
<Begasus> no, 3dEyes mentioned it on another issue related to this, these packages overwrite the "files" in there
<BrunoSpr> so yes!
<Begasus> shared_mime_info files are resostored then
<BrunoSpr> ok
<BrunoSpr> works now, hope they still work actively on calligra, i like it much
<Begasus> also interfered with a few other packages not working then
<Begasus> Calligra still working with the new KDE frameworks :)
<scanty> wow I have an hpkg of my NES emulator that I made 10 years ago! It's 32-bit
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<BrunoSpr> scanty... wow nice to have... I will try it soon
<scanty> i will set up a vm and see if it still works.
<BrunoSpr> which NES emulator is it?
<scanty> Pretendo
<BrunoSpr> Oh never tried Pretendo
<BrunoSpr> Zsnes and snes are common
<Begasus> found another one :)
<scanty> yeah, those are for SNES though.
<BrunoSpr> Ah I see, my fault
<scanty> no problem :^)
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<Begasus> maybe Kontact suffered the same problem there :P
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<Begasus> BrunoSpr, could you update palapeli, should be ready for install now
<BrunoSpr> I tried it but I dont use it!
<Begasus> np, only to see if the problem with Callibra is fixed there :)
<BrunoSpr> ok I will try to install it and test
<BrunoSpr> Ah, ok Calligra still working
<Begasus> thanks for checking!
<BrunoSpr> np
<BrunoSpr> thanks for you help
<Begasus> I messed it up to begin with :/
<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haikuports/haikuports/compare/081d94b81906...553406e8b758
<botifico-ecd96135> [haikuports/haikuports] Begasus 553406e - labplot, don't mess with shared_mime_info (#10022)
<BrunoSpr> Could you pleas check hBlock? The host file is not installed in system/settings/network
<BrunoSpr> The "hosts" file is not generated!?
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<Begasus> hblock is binary only? not sure how to check there
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<BrunoSpr> I resurrected not from Trash
<BrunoSpr> but there are not much entries in it as shold
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<Begasus> Fetching package for devel:libkpim5contacteditor ...
<Begasus> Error: unable to resolve required packages for build for messagelib-23.08.4
<Begasus> gotta love them :P
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<Begasus> closing down, cu peeps!
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<OscarL> Starting a build of usb_rndis driver with PulkoMandy's suggested changes! Let's see how long it takes on this Atom N450 :-D
* OscarL crosses fingers.
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<botifico-ecd96135> [haiku/infrastructure] nielx pushed 1 commit to master [+0/-0/±1] https://github.com/haiku/infrastructure/compare/f94d50a9f4aa...0b819b474a57
<botifico-ecd96135> [haiku/infrastructure] nielx 0b819b4 - Discourse: update container to 3.1.4
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<nekobot> [haiku/haiku] ba9a9ce167ee - headers/os: Add missing Interface Kit includes
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<OscarL> Mmm... "error: cannot convert 'usb_support_descriptor (*)[2]' to 'const usb_support_descriptor*' in argument passing" :-(
* OscarL removes and "&" and hopes for the best.
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<coolcoder613_32> Good morning
<OscarL> morning coolcoder613_32.
<OscarL> welp... usb_rndis changes still do not make my old phone work... but at least I didn't KDL while testing them :-D
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<Habbie> a day without KDL is a good day unless it's random hangs or crashes or reboots ;)
<OscarL> too bad I *did* KDL today while doing `cat /dev/power/acpi_thermal/0` on a "new" mini-laptop :-P
<Habbie> ouch
<OscarL> wish I was smart enough to make use of KDL to narrow down the issue :-D
<Habbie> :)
<OscarL> something something "SMAP violation"... and pretty sure it was on one of the snprintf() calls on `acpi_thermal_read()`... but... that's as far as my brain goes :-D
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<PulkoMandy> That's kernel trying to access userspace merory without doing an user_memcpy first
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<OscarL> PulkoMandy: Good to confirm, thanks! Was reading something similar on a bug that korli fixed on a different driver.
<OscarL> Tommorrow will see if I can reproduce it (never had such issues with that driver on other hardware).
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* coolcoder613 has been working on this: https://github.com/coolcoder613eb/simple.vm